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Cut the Bonds Single Action Feat 12
Uncommon Archetype Attack
Source Pathfinder #147: Tomorrow Must Burn pg. 75
Archetype Bellflower Tiller

Prerequisites Bellflower Dedication, expert in a melee weapon.

Select a magical effect that has made an adjacent member of your crop clumsy, grabbed, paralyzed, restrained, or slowed. Attempt a counteract check using your attack modifier (including your multiple attack penalty) with a melee weapon with which you have expert proficiency. Your counteract level is half your level rounded up. On a success, you free that member from the effect; on a failure, you can’t attempt to use Cut the Bonds on that effect on that crop member until 24 hours have passed.

I'm wondering if this is a good feat for a Bard, I do plan on taking Inspirational Focus at 12, this feat here I'm considering at 14. I have a front line support focused Bard (almost always adjacent to our martials) and was wondering if this feat is worthy? I want no part of Quickened Casting or Allegro (will be using Heightened Haste instead), so I am unsure what to get at level 14.


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I think it's really solid for that build as long as you've emphasised dex. That kind of character is probably the best case scenario for the feat, and I think those conditions will come up pretty often.


Cool, thanks citricking! Does this sort of work like a dispel magic vs these effects? If so, is it better or worse?


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It's a counteract, so yes, it's the same mechanic as Dispel Magic. Now, your charisma and spellcasting proficiency may well outstrip your attack roll, giving you better odds of a high enough roll on your counteract check with Dispel Magic, but you won't need to worry about expending a high enough level spell slot, using the feat.

So, better in one way, probably worse in another.


HammerJack wrote:

It's a counteract, so yes, it's the same mechanic as Dispel Magic. Now, your charisma and spellcasting proficiency may well outstrip your attack roll, giving you better odds of a high enough roll on your counteract check with Dispel Magic, but you won't need to worry about expending a high enough level spell slot, using the feat.

So, better in one way, probably worse in another.

Oh ya good point, at level 15 I would become a Master caster, only expert in Melee weapon prof. However, with a +2 item bonus with my melee weapon I guess that would bring me on par with the Master spellcasting. My Dex is just 1 pt behind my casting stat so not a huge diff, and with inspire courage that would bring me even. If I'm calculating everything right?


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Yeah that sounds right, and if you're fighting lower level enemies it will even work if you roll a failure. But if the enemy is more than 2 levels higher than you it won't work even on a success.

counteract rules


Just a question, it is not possible to just break free of a magical effect with the Escape action?


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That depends on the effect. If you're immobilized by an entangle spell, you can try to get out with Escape, and the spell description says so. That won't work if you're paralyzed by the Paralyze spell, though.


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citricking wrote:

Yeah that sounds right, and if you're fighting lower level enemies it will even work if you roll a failure. But if the enemy is more than 2 levels higher than you it won't work even on a success.

counteract rules

There are also the cases of spells. If the enemy casts a spell, it may not be one of his highest slots, and in that case, the counteract check may be trivial. In my opinion, it's even better than Dispel Magic.


A question, if your successful then you can continue to use the ability on the same character if he/she gets hit again with the same condition? Only if you fail on your counteract check are you not allowed to attempt the same counteract check vs the same condition on the same ally? However you could attempt to Cut the Bonds against a different effect vs the same creature?


Anybody?


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"On a success, you free that member from the effect; on a failure, you can’t attempt to use Cut the Bonds on that effect on that crop member until 24 hours have passed."

Nothing in this sentence prevents you from attempting to Cut the Bonds on a different effect on that crop member.

If you succeed, you can keep using the feat just fine.

Also, do not confuse "per effect" with "per condition."


citricking wrote:
I think it's really solid for that build as long as you've emphasised dex. That kind of character is probably the best case scenario for the feat, and I think those conditions will come up pretty often.

I'm actually having a tough time finding monsters which can induce a magical clumsy, grabbed, paralyzed, restrained, or slowed condition. Doesn't seem that common?

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