Stuff That You Wish Paizo Had Done For Pathfinder 1E?


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^That's what Fighter Weapon Training sort of is(*), and some weird archetypes of other classes get this too (unfortunately, not as many as get Armor Training).

(*)But unfortunately it doesn't count as Weapon Focus for feat prerequisites; on the other hand, it does stack with Weapon Focus.

The Martial Versatility and Martial Mastery feats (chain) do make feats like Weapon Focus work for whole weapon groups, but they are gated behind being Human and having Fighter levels (a lot of them in the latter case), although some other classes or archetypes thereof would also be able to access them, and they are pretty much feat taxes -- not for other feats, but as partial insurance in case you lose your golf bag. (The insurance does get better if Combat Stamina is in use in your campaign.)


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Would have been nice for more martial archetypes getting armor training.


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The Kineticist could have been better...
- All shape infusions should have been applied to all elements; Electric Blast barely has some.
- Strength should have been used for Physical Blast attack rolls
- Dexterity should have been used for Energy Blast attack rolls
- Kinetic Blade and Whip should have been nerfed, because they eclipsed melee manufactured weapons completely. I swear, there's NO reason to use a sword when your Earth-based club can outclass it.

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JiCi wrote:

The Kineticist could have been better...

...
- Kinetic Blade and Whip should have been nerfed, because they eclipsed melee manufactured weapons completely. I swear, there's NO reason to use a sword when your Earth-based club can outclass it.

Isn't 'you don't need to carry a mundane weapon' is the entire point of those talents? What would be the point of them existing if using a mundane weapon is just better?

That being said, wielding a manufactured weapon does allow you to actually threaten your target after the end of your turn and might be very useful against foes with annoying DRs/Resistances for your chosen elements, so there actually are reasons to keep such a weapon handy...


Dragon78 wrote:
Would have been nice for more martial archetypes getting armor training.

. . . And especially Weapon Training, since Advanced Weapon Training is where most of the good stuff is.


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What I'm hearing is, "It would have been cool if the only good things a fighter has was given to other classes."


Taja the Barbarian wrote:
JiCi wrote:

The Kineticist could have been better...

...
- Kinetic Blade and Whip should have been nerfed, because they eclipsed melee manufactured weapons completely. I swear, there's NO reason to use a sword when your Earth-based club can outclass it.

Isn't 'you don't need to carry a mundane weapon' is the entire point of those talents? What would be the point of them existing if using a mundane weapon is just better?

That being said, wielding a manufactured weapon does allow you to actually threaten your target after the end of your turn and might be very useful against foes with annoying DRs/Resistances for your chosen elements, so there actually are reasons to keep such a weapon handy...

You cannot...

- maintain the blade/whip to avoid manifesting it every single round.
- enhance them from +1 to +5, nor give it any enhancement with talents or items.
- apply your Strength modifier to melee damage rolls.
- cannot HOLD a weapon, because Gathering Power requires both hands free.

Yes, there's Energize Weapon, but trading a melee touch attack for less damage is just stupid.

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Andostre wrote:
What I'm hearing is, "It would have been cool if the only good things a fighter has was given to other classes."

Disciple of the Pike Cavalier, Molthuni Arsenal Champion, Swashbuckler, Armored Battlemage Magus, Mymidarch Magus, Steel Blood Bloodrager, Yojimbo Samurai, and Masked Maiden Vigilante all say hi.

Afraid that ship sailed some time ago.


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More Hobgoblin feats other than the Demoralizing Lash feat chain


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More Dhampir feats other then ones related to blood drain.

Scarab Sages

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More of it, since the reason I dropped my subscription to everything was the move to 2e.


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Baron Iveagh wrote:
More of it, since the reason I dropped my subscription to everything was the move to 2e.

^

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I'm guessing that's dead in the water, considering recent events.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I'm guessing that's dead in the water, considering recent events.

Yeah... Was already pretty low probability of getting new PF1 stuff, but now it's nearly impossible


I would have been surprised if Paizo made any more 1e products...now with the recent news I would say never.

Too bad we never got pocket versions of the remaining 1e hardcover books.


I assume those weren't selling well to warrant reprints ^^;

Taja the Barbarian wrote:

Isn't 'you don't need to carry a mundane weapon' is the entire point of those talents? What would be the point of them existing if using a mundane weapon is just better?

That being said, wielding a manufactured weapon does allow you to actually threaten your target after the end of your turn and might be very useful against foes with annoying DRs/Resistances for your chosen elements, so there actually are reasons to keep such a weapon handy...

Something just hit me: Kineticists should have gotten the equivalent of a Solarian Crystal, maybe in the shape of a handle.


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Melkiador wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I'm guessing that's dead in the water, considering recent events.
Yeah... Was already pretty low probability of getting new PF1 stuff, but now it's nearly impossible

Am I the only one who thinks MAYBE they could be enough crazy and caring to try saving the First Edition from being swallowed whole?


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Bardess wrote:
Melkiador wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I'm guessing that's dead in the water, considering recent events.
Yeah... Was already pretty low probability of getting new PF1 stuff, but now it's nearly impossible
Am I the only one who thinks MAYBE they could be enough crazy and caring to try saving the First Edition from being swallowed whole?

Not sure exactly what you mean. I think Paizo is going to send their lawyers after the OGL 1.0a being deauthorized regardless. That's assuming that WotC doesn't try to pivot, but I think their heels are pretty planted in deauthorizing, so it will need to be settled in court.


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I wish we got unchained versions of Cleric, Fighter, Sorcerer.....hell maybe all the core classes plus Samurai and Ninja.

Still mad we never got that Cha based spontaneous Druid caster class.

I really wish we got a better Shifter. So much potential lost on that one.


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I've heard it opined that introducing the "Stamina and Combat Tricks" rules and then encouraging GM's to give Fighters free access to those feats was Paizo's version of an Unchained Fighter.

I guess in this way, GMs could give this Unchained perk to any melee class they felt was lacking.


I didn't care much for the Stamina/combat tricks rules. Still would have preferred an actual Unchained Fighter. Also unchained versions of Shaman and Swashbuckler as well.


The Stamina system had some good ideas, but it seemed half-baked (in particular, many things running you out of Stamina very quickly).

Also, by a remarkable coincidence, What Classes Do You Wish Got The Unchained Treatment?.

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