Thanos the Mad Time Oracle


Advice

Grand Lodge

Okay, slightly a clickbait title. Allow me to explain.

My wife bought me a 3D printed mini of the Mad Titan himself, Thanos. Once I saw him, I naturally wanted to use it as a Pathfinder Society character. After asking around for suggestions I ended up settling on a Time Oracle. His focus is going to be that of a debuffer. I built him out to Level 10, but since I have no real experience building a debuffer I'm looking for some advice (Forum title checks out.)

Human Dual-Cursed Time Oracle

Traits: Magical Lineage (Oracle’s Burden), Reactionary
Mystery: Time
Curses: Blacked, Wrecker (Does not Advance)
Favored Class Bonuses: Lvl 1-3 Hit Points, 4+ Bonus Spells

Starting Ability Scores (20 point buy):
Strength 13 - Still need to hit with touch attacks.
Dexterity 12 - Getting into melee rage, so he’ll need some help.
Constitution 14 - Gonna need some extra health for spending time in the melee zone.
Intelligence 12 - An extra skill point never hurts when you're playing PFS.
Wisdom 8 - His Will save is his best save, he can survive the penalty.
Charisma 18 (16+2) - Needing to beef up the DC’s on the debuff spells.

Classes:
Level 1: Oracle 1: Spells lvl1, Revelation (Erase from Time aka The Snap)
Level 2: Oracle 2: Ill Omen
Level 3: Oracle 3: Revelation (Temporal Cerelity)
Level 4: Oracle 4: Spells lvl2, Oracle’s Burden, +1 CHA
Level 5: Oracle 5: Revelation (Time Flicker)
Level 6: Oracle 6: Spells lvl3, Bestow Curse
Level 7: Oracle 7: Revelation (Time Hop), Extra Revelation (Speed or Slow Time)
Level 8: Oracle 8: Spells lvl4, Threefold Aspect, +1 CHA
Level 9: Oracle 9: -
Level 10: Oracle 10: Spells lvl5, Permanency

Feats:
Level 0: Spell Focus (Necromancy)
Level 1: Greater Spell Focus (Necromancy)
Level 3: Heighten Spell (to cast Heightened Oracle’s Burden as a Level 2 spell)
Level 5: Preferred Spell (Ill Omen)
Level 7: Abundant Revelation (Erase from Time)
Level 9: Extra Revelation

Strategy

The Time Mystery is a great debuffer, so pairing it with the debuff-heavy Dual-Cursed archetype makes for a hell of a package. Landing an Oracle's Burden on an armed foe gives him a -6 attack penalty with his weapon (-2 with the Broken weapon, -4 for the Blackened curse). Getting Ill Omen as a preferred spell would give me more opportunities to cast it (using level 1 and higher-level spell slots). The dream would be using a Quickened Ill Omen/Bestow Curse/Erase From Time (or any other nasty debuff) at one point.

Am I missing anything? Oracles can be tricky to put together, and this one is all about shutting down the offense of the opposition. That's outside my normal comfort zone so any suggestions would be appreciated!


Looks pretty solid.

How are you getting Ill Omen at level 2 though?


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Ryze Kuja wrote:

Looks pretty solid.

How are you getting Ill Omen at level 2 though?

That is the bonus spell he gets from his archetype in place of the bonus spell granted at that level by his mystery.

Silver Crusade

Thanos the Time-Soul-Space-Mind-Reality-Power Oracle.

I'd put 14 Str and 10 Int, or bring Wis down to 7 to also get 12 Int.

Apart from that, just remember to buy a bunch of ioun stones and, of course, an Ioun Gauntlet to compliment the theme ;)

Silver Crusade

Actually there are a few things I do not understand:

1) What's the point of Preferred Spell? You are already a spontaneous caster, and it doesn't seem like you are going to apply any metamagic to Ill Omen anyway. Seems a waste of a feat to me.

2) Magical Lineage does not work with Heighten Spell, you actually need to pay the level increase to make the spell count as higher. See FAQ (also, come on...). As a result, Heighten Spell is also a waste of a feat. Persistent Spell is much more efficient.

3) You can't really go Dual-Cursed without picking Misfortune, especially given your focus on debuffs. If you really want Erase from Time at 1st level, I would prioritise Extra Revelation (Misfortune) above anything else. I would go:

1 Extra Revelation (Misfortune), Spell Focus (Necromancy)
3 Greater Spell Focus (Necromancy)
5 Abundant Revelations (Erase From Time)
7 Persistent Spell
9 Extra Revelation (Speed or Slow Time)
11 Sickening Spell

Misfortune will help you land your debuffs much more reliably, since you can do it at will.

At 7th level you will be able to cast Persistent Oracle's Burden as a 3rd level spell. Swap Abundant Revelation and Persistent Spell if you want to be able to cast Persistent Oracle's Burden as soon as you get 3rd level spells.

At 11th level you will be able to cast Sickening Persistent Oracle's Burden as a 5th level spell, which will add an extra layer of debuffs (-2 to hit, damage and saves) to your target (but really, any feat is the same once you are at 11th level).

Grand Lodge

Gray Warden wrote:

Actually there are a few things I do not understand:

1) What's the point of Preferred Spell? You are already a spontaneous caster, and it doesn't seem like you are going to apply any metamagic to Ill Omen anyway. Seems a waste of a feat to me.

2) Magical Lineage does not work with Heighten Spell, you actually need to pay the level increase to make the spell count as higher. See FAQ (also, come on...). As a result, Heighten Spell is also a waste of a feat. Persistent Spell is much more efficient.

3) You can't really go Dual-Cursed without picking Misfortune, especially given your focus on debuffs. If you really want Erase from Time at 1st level, I would prioritise Extra Revelation (Misfortune) above anything else. I would go:

1 Extra Revelation (Misfortune), Spell Focus (Necromancy)
3 Greater Spell Focus (Necromancy)
5 Abundant Revelations (Erase From Time)
7 Persistent Spell
9 Extra Revelation (Speed or Slow Time)
11 Sickening Spell

Misfortune will help you land your debuffs much more reliably, since you can do it at will.

At 7th level you will be able to cast Persistent Oracle's Burden as a 3rd level spell. Swap Abundant Revelation and Persistent Spell if you want to be able to cast Persistent Oracle's Burden as soon as you get 3rd level spells.

At 11th level you will be able to cast Sickening Persistent Oracle's Burden as a 5th level spell, which will add an extra layer of debuffs (-2 to hit, damage and saves) to your target (but really, any feat is the same once you are at 11th level).

1) Preferred Spell was simply so that I could use all spell slots, not just Lv 1 slots, to cast Ill Omen. In hindsight that is probably going to be overkill since this character is being used for Pathfinder Society play, and that's maybe three encounters tops.

2) I suspected that was the case, and should have looked for a FAQ to confirm. Thanks for clarifying.

3) Misfortune, at least the Dual Cursed version, could be tricky to play at a Pathfinder Society session. I haven't spoken to the GM's there but I want to be sure that it won't bog the session down if I were to ask them the rolls before confirming whether the roll was a success or not. Once I get their feedback, I'd love to move things around and get Misfortune in there for sure.

Thanks for the advice!

Silver Crusade

DonnyRokk wrote:

1) Preferred Spell was simply so that I could use all spell slots, not just Lv 1 slots, to cast Ill Omen. In hindsight that is probably going to be overkill since this character is being used for Pathfinder Society play, and that's maybe three encounters tops.

2) I suspected that was the case, and should have looked for a FAQ to confirm. Thanks for clarifying.

3) Misfortune, at least...

1) You can already do that, you can always use higher level spell slots to cast lower level spells. And, being spontaneous, you don't even need to prepare them ahead of time. Just declare that you are using a higher level slot when casting the spell. Of course, although you can, why should you? You already have a ton of 1st level spell slots. If you ever end up with none of them, chances are you'll also be out of 2nd, 3rd, ... level slots.

3) It is very easy to use without bothering anyone. Just tell the GM: "If the enemy rolls 15 or higher on a save against my spells, or threatens to crit against my allies, tell me please before declaring the result". I will take you half a second to reply "yep, reroll" or "nah it's good".

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