Question: Is the Performance Artist trait legal?


Pathfinder Society


I want to use it but the faction isn't on the list. What faction do I have to be in to use it? Is it legal at all?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

I don't see Performance Artist on the SRD.

What book is it from?

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

I can't find the Performance Artist trait either. Thought it would be in The Extinction Curse Player's Guide, but, it's not.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

After some extensive digging, it looks like Performance Artist is a 3rd Party Trait from d20pfsrd.com

(I can't link to it, but it's on their spreadsheet of traits)

"You gain a +1 trait bonus on related Perform skill checks. This bonus increases to +5 when using that Perform skill to make money."

That text does not appear on the official SRD, so it would not be a legal option.

I don't recommend using d20pfsrd for reasons like this. I fell victim years ago to purchasing 3rd Party material from their site, fooled into thinking the "PFS" in their name meant they were official.

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

Nefreet wrote:
That text does not appear on the official SRD, so it would not be a legal option.

Nefreet and I will continue to have this debate but I want to make it clear that the official SRD is not the official source of what is legal for a Society character. For 2e, the guide is the official source.

The official SRD is the authorized online rules for Pathfinder (both editions) and Starfinder. They do try and flag items items as legal for Organized Play but are known to have some things marked incorrectly.

A player should always refer to the Additional Resources and/or the relevant guide to ensure that something is legal for Organized Play.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

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Gary,

If Archives of Nethys is not the official SRD, then why were we told in various posts & blogs that it is?

2/5 5/5

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AoN is the official SRD (System Reference Document) for the pathfinder rule set.

It is NOT an official document for Society.

Pathfinder != PFS

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

NielsenE wrote:

AoN is the official SRD (System Reference Document) for the pathfinder rule set.

It is NOT an official document for Society.

Pathfinder != PFS

Ohhh. Ok. I thought it was the official for PFS.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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I argue that AoN is legitimate for PFS/SFS as well, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Regardless, in this case, Performance Artist does not appear to be Paizo material, so it would not be legal for PFS.

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

Christian Dragos wrote:

Gary,

If Archives of Nethys is not the official SRD, then why were we told in various posts & blogs that it is?

It looks like NielsenE answered your question to your satisfaction.

To be clear, I am not opposed to Nethys being the official source for Society Legality. It is a great resource. And it is my first stop to see if something is legal. If it says it is, I then confirm from the official sources. If it says it is not, than I don't verify.

I just want everyone to understand that it is not at this time.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

As long as everyone understands that the error rate for AoN is comparable to the error rate for Paizo's documents.

Scarab Sages 4/5

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And to clarify all of the clarifications... AoN is the official SRD, which means that a GM can reference it for rules text. The rules text there should be considered official.

What it isn’t, currently, is a source to reference for what is a society legal option to use.

Want to know how an option works? You can reference the rules text on AoN. For 1E, you should also check campaign clarifications to see if anything was altered there.

Want to know if the option is legal to use in PFS? AoN lists that, but not in an official capacity. Make sure to check the Additional Resources to be sure.

You still have to own the book that the option appears in if you want to use it as a player.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber
Ferious Thune wrote:
Want to know if the option is legal to use in PFS? AoN lists that, but not in an official capacity.

AoN is Paizo's SRD. Organized Play is a branch of Paizo.

Scarab Sages 4/5

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Nefreet wrote:
Ferious Thune wrote:
Want to know if the option is legal to use in PFS? AoN lists that, but not in an official capacity.
AoN is Paizo's SRD. Organized Play is a branch of Paizo.

But the SRD is not the official source for what is Legal to use in PFS or not. It never was, even when it was hosted by Paizo.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Again, this discussion doesn't belong in this thread, as it's off-topic, but your point is irrelevant, because even when the SRD was hosted by Paizo, the SRD didn't list PFS legality. Archives does.

Sovereign Court

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Nefreet wrote:
After some extensive digging, it looks like Performance Artist is a 3rd Party Trait from d20pfsrd.com.

This is incorrect.

Performance Artist is a PFS-specific trait for the Taldor faction, and can be found in various earlier printings of the Guide to Organized Play.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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Good find!

That then raises the question of whether previous versions of the Guide are legal for players who weren't around back then. FuryWingsYT wouldn't be able to provide a copy of the Guide with their watermark upon request.

I don't think the fact that Taldor isn't around anymore matters. They were replaced by Sczarni, which was replaced by... I can't remember.

3/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro aka MadScientistWorking

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Taldor wasn't replaced by Sczarni. It was Sovereign Court.

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

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The only legal Factions in PFS1e are those listed in the guide. The old Taldon faction is not listed and thus traits associated with it are not legal for selection by a character now. If a character had selected a trait at the time that Taldon was legal they can still use the trait on that character.

So to the OP, Performance Artist is not a legal selection for a new PFS character.

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

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Nefreet wrote:
That then raises the question of whether previous versions of the Guide are legal for players who weren't around back then. FuryWingsYT wouldn't be able to provide a copy of the Guide with their watermark upon request.

The current Guide is the what is legal. Since Taldon is not listed, none of the traits for Taldon would be legal.

What would matter is when the character was created to show that Taldon was a legal faction. The only way I know of proving this is having a chronicle with a date that is before Taldon ended being a faction.

Additionally, AoN only lists the current the factions as legal.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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Gary Bush wrote:
What would matter is when the character was created to show that Taldon was a legal faction. The only way I know of proving this is having a chronicle with a date that is before Taldon ended being a faction.

Or a watermarked copy of the page with that Trait.

It's why I still have copies of all my previous Guides.

3/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro aka MadScientistWorking

Gary Bush wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
That then raises the question of whether previous versions of the Guide are legal for players who weren't around back then. FuryWingsYT wouldn't be able to provide a copy of the Guide with their watermark upon request.

The current Guide is the what is legal. Since Taldon is not listed, none of the traits for Taldon would be legal.

What would matter is when the character was created to show that Taldon was a legal faction. The only way I know of proving this is having a chronicle with a date that is before Taldon ended being a faction.

Additionally, AoN only lists the current the factions as legal.

I'm 100% certain this isn't correct but I can't remember at all where that rule is.

Edit:
I'm thinking of Prestige Purchases. Never mind.

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden aka Ascalaphus

Nefreet wrote:
Again, this discussion doesn't belong in this thread, as it's off-topic, but your point is irrelevant, because even when the SRD was hosted by Paizo, the SRD didn't list PFS legality. Archives does.

Archives is not the source, but attempts to be an accurate and very convenient mirror of the source. The source is the Additional Resources page. The PFS guide has always been clear about that.

Scarab Sages 4/5

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Adam Yakaboski wrote:
Gary Bush wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
That then raises the question of whether previous versions of the Guide are legal for players who weren't around back then. FuryWingsYT wouldn't be able to provide a copy of the Guide with their watermark upon request.

The current Guide is the what is legal. Since Taldon is not listed, none of the traits for Taldon would be legal.

What would matter is when the character was created to show that Taldon was a legal faction. The only way I know of proving this is having a chronicle with a date that is before Taldon ended being a faction.

Additionally, AoN only lists the current the factions as legal.

I'm 100% certain this isn't correct but I can't remember at all where that rule is.

Edit:
I'm thinking of Prestige Purchases. Never mind.

On my phone so I can’t check, but I thought the language aligning the new factions with the old factions still exists somewhere (or there was a forum post indicating it wasn’t supposed to be removed). If the trait doesn’t actually appear in the most recent guide, though, it’s probably not legal to select on a new character. It should still be valid on an older character that took it at the time, though.

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