Monk question: Whirling Throw + Titan Wrestler


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The Whirling Throw class feat allows you to grapple/throw larger creatures on a penalty (-2 for 1 category and -4 for 2+ categories)

The Titan Wrestler skill feat allows you to use some maneuvers on larger (up to two categories) creatures without penalties.

If a human monk have both, this means no penalty for throwing a large creature and would be able to throw a gargantuan creature with -2?

Or would not even be possible to use Whirling Throw in a large creature if you don't have the Titan Wrestler?


Well unless I'm missing something they don't interact but you don't need Titan Wrestler to take or use Whirling Throw.

Titan Wrestler wrote:
You can attempt to Disarm, Grapple, Shove, or Trip creatures up to two sizes larger than you, or up to three sizes larger than you if you’re legendary in Athletics.
Whirling Throw wrote:

ou propel your grabbed or restrained foe a great distance. You can throw the creature any distance up to 10 feet, plus 5 feet × your Strength modifier. If you successfully throw the creature, it takes bludgeoning damage equal to your Strength modifier plus 1d6 per 10 feet you threw it.

Attempt an Athletics check against the foe’s Fortitude DC. You take a –2 circumstance penalty to your check if the target is one size larger than you and a –4 circumstance penalty if it’s larger than that. You gain a +2 circumstance bonus to your check if the target is one size smaller than you and a +4 circumstance bonus if it’s smaller than that.

Whirling Throw isn't a Disarm, Grapple, Shove or Trip so it doesn't look like it interacts.


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You can attempt to Disarm, Grapple, Shove, or Trip creatures up to two sizes larger than you, or up to three sizes larger than you if you’re legendary in Athletics.
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WHIRLING THROW [one-action]

FEAT 6 MONK
Requirements You have a creature grabbed or restrained.

You propel your grabbed or restrained foe a great distance. You can throw the creature any distance up to 10 feet, plus 5 feet × your Strength modifier. If you successfully throw the creature, it takes bludgeoning damage equal to your Strength modifier plus 1d6 per 10 feet you threw it.Attempt an Athletics check against the foe’s Fortitude DC. You take a –2 circumstance penalty to your check if the target is one size larger than you and a –4 circumstance penalty if it’s larger than that. You gain a +2 circumstance bonus to your check if the target is one size smaller than you and a +4 circumstance bonus if it’s smaller than that.

Critical Success You throw the creature the desired distance and it lands prone.

Success You throw the creature the desired distance.

Failure You don’t throw the creature.

Critical Failure You don’t throw the creature, and it’s no longer grabbed or restrained by you.

The normal requirement of grapple is that the target be no more than one size larger than you. Whirling throw has no effect on what creatures you can grapple. Titan wrestler helps you to grapple a larger creature, which is necessary before you can attempt a whirling throw, but does not remove the penalty to throw them.


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Titan wrestler has no interaction with Whirling Throw, it specifies exactly which actions it effects (Grapple, Trip, Shove, Disarm)

The Whirling Throw would be at -4, but yes they can throw any creature so long as they have it grabbed.


Yep it does look as though you would need titan wrestler to grapple and thus grab larger opponents past 1 size category

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Vlorax wrote:

Titan wrestler has no interaction with Whirling Throw, it specifies exactly which actions it effects (Grapple, Trip, Shove, Disarm)

The Whirling Throw would be at -4, but yes they can throw any creature so long as they have it grabbed.

The Titan Wrestler feat would allow the Monk to grapple a creature two/three sizes larger than itself, without it the Monk is limited to one size larger.

However, the Monk could still use the Whirling Throw action to throw a restrained (i.e. tied up) creature two+ sizes larger than itself.

Whether grappled or restrained the -2/-4 circumstance penalty would apply on the Athletics check when throwing the creature.


Yeah, basically no interaction.

Normally you can only grapple creatures one size category larger than you. Titan wrestler lets you grapple two, or even three size categories larger than you.

Whilring Throw would require Titan Wrestler to grapple anyone more than one size category larger than you, but otherwise it states the penalties explicitly, and they aren't changed by anything with Titan Wrestler.

So the only interaction is that Titan Wrestler will actually allow you to use that part of the Whirling Throw description that says "if its more than 1 size category larger you take a -4".

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