What kind of poison gas is cloudkill?


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Weird question but I've always wondered. I assume flourine or chlorine since it's greenish-yellow.


It's magic. Chlorine or fluorine would damage objects in ways that cloudkill does not.


Magical for sure. Special blend


Yeah a lot of questions like these don't have answers.

Firstly because it's more fun to let you come up with it yourself - You can call it flourine gas if that suits your character, it has no mechanical effect what you call it but it adds flavour.

Secondly because Paizo probably doesn't want to associate itself with chemical warfare, because that level of realism is actually horrifying. You can add this into your game if you want, but there are probably people playing this game who have experienced something like that, and reminding them of it doesn't help their escapist fantasy.

Those details are intentionally left to the people at the table.


I'm pretty sure it's based on stories from WWI so (to the extent it's anything rather than a special effect) probably chlorine. I don't think mustard gas is that colour.


Chlorine gas would be colorless in a close to pure form.

The chlorine gas mass produced in the Great War was far from pure, and did indeed have a mustard yellow color... thus the name, Mustard Gas.

The spell Cloudkill could actually be the magical conjuration of WW1 mustard gas, couldn't it?

Isn't there a crossover in Reign of Winter that places the Pathfinder world/timeline and our world/timeline together during WW1?


Mustard gas was not chlorine gas! (Cl-CH2CH2)2S is an entirely different chemical formula. Chlorine gas is 'a heavy green-yellow gas with a strong odor'. VM, check your source, it is not accurate.


VoodistMonk wrote:

Chlorine gas would be colorless in a close to pure form.

The chlorine gas mass produced in the Great War was far from pure, and did indeed have a mustard yellow color... thus the name, Mustard Gas.

The spell Cloudkill could actually be the magical conjuration of WW1 mustard gas, couldn't it?

Isn't there a crossover in Reign of Winter that places the Pathfinder world/timeline and our world/timeline together during WW1?

Since we are discussing some RL facts in addition to the game I have to dispute the claim of pure chlorine being colorless. And since arguing it here is highly unlikely to get anywhere I urge anyone who cares to do a little research, or consult an authority they trust.

Scarab Sages

I don't think Cloudkill is the equivilent of a real world gas. It's either a fantasy gas like mithril or adamantine are fantasy metals or sunorchids are fantasy flowers. Or its an enhanced real world gas like a magic sword is an enhanced blade and that the death is as much due to magical killingness as the actual toxcity of the gas itself.

VoodistMonk wrote:

Chlorine gas would be colorless in a close to pure form.

The chlorine gas mass produced in the Great War was far from pure, and did indeed have a mustard yellow color... thus the name, Mustard Gas.

The spell Cloudkill could actually be the magical conjuration of WW1 mustard gas, couldn't it?

Isn't there a crossover in Reign of Winter that places the Pathfinder world/timeline and our world/timeline together during WW1?

Yes you do visit Earth during WW1 in that AP though with magical travel via the artifact of a mythical being time travel may have also been involved.


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My bad.

Upon further research, my original statement is absolutely inaccurate.

I am not an authority on the horrors of WW1, and the skimming search I did at work was insufficient to find reliable information.

I apologize for my sloppy research and the spreading of untruths.


Cloudkill is made of the spell effect of Cloudkill. You wouldn't be able to reproduce it with a mundane composition. It isn't like Wall of Stone which grows out of the surrounding rock, Wall of Iron which specifies it is iron, or Obsidian Flow which transmutes the ground into splintered obsidian.
That said, it is very clearly based visually and conceptually on weaponized chlorine gas. It's definitely not ACTUALLY chlorine gas, though, because that should deal acid damage and require breathing (Cloudkill doesn't care if you don't breathe).

Jon Brazer Enterprises

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Farts. It's the secret magical component.


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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Farts. It's the secret magical component.

This made my day.


We play at a house with a golden retriever named Savannah, and she always sits underneath our gaming table while we play. She is absolutely notorious for passing gas because she's getting older, so we have an inside joke going that whenever Savannah passes gas it's a Heightened lvl 9 Nauseating Cloud and it's OP because a lvl 11 Doggo Retriever with the Golden Archetype shouldn't be able to Heighten to lvl 9

XD

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