Whispering Gloves. Which version can i use?

Rules Questions

Ok, so i want to use a pair of whispering gloves... the kind that do the silence. But there are two kinds..... the old ones that i want to use, and the new version which lets you send messages....

First off, when did they change it?

Old ones i want... found on D20PFSRD.COM
Aura faint illusion and transmutation; CL 5th; Slot hands; Price 15,400 gp; Weight —


These gloves constantly project a very short-range silence spell, so that anything touched or held by the wearer’s hands makes no sound. Thus picking a locked door wouldn’t make a clicking noise audible to those on the other side, and holding a hand over a victim’s mouth would silence his scream. The silence extends only a few inches, so knocking on a door produces no sound but hammering it down still does.

If the wearer presses a finger to her lips and speaks, no sound comes out, but the words are audible to anyone she chooses in her line of sight (as the message spell).


Feats Craft Wondrous Item; Spells message, silence; Cost 7,700 gp

Section 15: Copyright Notice
Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor © 2014, Paizo Publishing, LLC; Authors: Pedro Coelho, Christopher Dudley, Guy Fox, Sam Harris, Landon Hatfield, Steven Helt, Nick Herold, Shawn Kowalke, Marc?André Patenaude, and Guy Russell.

But when i look them up on AONPRD.COM i can only find these....

PFS Legal Whispering Gloves
Source Legacy of the First World pg. 27, Tears at Bitter Manor pg. 55
Aura faint transmutation; CL 3rd
Slot hands; Price 1,000 gp; Weight 1 lb.
These supple silk gloves are skintight. As a standard action, the wearer can deliver a complex secret message to a single target that can see the wearer as if she had succeeded at a DC 20 Bluff check. This message is conveyed in a series of rapid, complicated hand gestures that the target automatically understands. Creatures that see the wearer send a message can attempt a DC 20 Sense Motive check to notice that the wearer is delivering a secret message and decipher it.
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, message; Cost 500 gp

Are the old version still available (not for PFS play, but we can only use Paizo products in our group) or if its not on AONPRD.COM then they dont exist?

Depending on which sources your GM is allowing and using, the answer is probably obvious. If not, ask.

If most content is open for use, then just say you want the old ones, and pay the coin. Write it down.

If you are looking to create some glorious loophole like suppressing a firearm/sniping Sneak Attack nonsense, then GTFO, flat no.

Liberty's Edge

The old version were apparently in Tears at Bitter Manor. That's a Paizo product. Ergo, you should be good. They're even on the PFS chronicle sheet, so they'd be legal there too.

Hero Labs shows both items are available. Since it usually only includes official Paizo products you should be good with either one.

I think this is a case of two different but similar items having the same name. With as many supplements they have it is not surprising that something like this slipped through the cracks.

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