Still on Vanguard: wielding weapons

[Nym Moondown]

Hi,
Another question about the vanguard.
If I'm using a weapon my damage is the one of Entropic Strike. But is the damage still acid and/or bludgeoning?

[HammerJack]

If you are using entropy strike, the damage is entropic strike damage. Both amount and type. So acid, bludgeoing, or both.

[Matt2VK]

If you're using a weapon, you have two options -
1) Use that weapon's normal rules
2) Use Entropic Strike rules (damage dice, damage type(s), and the weapon it's used with special abilities, critical strike damage.

Just be sure you let the GM know which type of attack you're using before dice roll.

[Nym Moondown]

Thx!
So if I'm wielding a weapon I don't consider it as operative if it hasn't that special property, right?

What about other Entropic Strike and Entropic Attunement abilities? Can I apply, for example, reach?

[HammerJack]

If you are attacking with the weapon stays, you would not use operative.

If you are entropic striking, you would use the properties of both the weapon and your entropic strike, which does include operative, block, entropic attunement properties like reach. All of it.

While entropic strike allows properties, fusions and materials to be added by the weapon, there is no rule to suggest that the properties of entropic strike itself would no longer apply.

[Zero the Nothing]

Hammerjack wrote:

If you are entropic striking, you would use the properties of both the weapon and your entropic strike, which does include operative, block, entropic attunement properties like reach. All of it.

Small correction, Vanguard's entropic strike doesn't have the block feature anymore. They just get a +1 enhancement bonus to KAC/EAC, which is better than the block trait.

[HammerJack]

Zero the Nothing wrote:

Hammerjack wrote:

If you are entropic striking, you would use the properties of both the weapon and your entropic strike, which does include operative, block, entropic attunement properties like reach. All of it.

Small correction, Vanguard's entropic strike doesn't have the block feature anymore. They just get a +1 enhancement bonus to KAC/EAC, which is better than the block trait.

I had missed that. It is actually a disadvantage to lose the trait, in that the block trait could be improved with a fusion.

[Zero the Nothing]

HammerJack wrote:

I had missed that. It is actually a disadvantage to lose the trait, in that the block trait could be improved with a fusion.

You're talkin' about the Defending fusion I assume. Good catch.

I think Vanguards can still benefit from it with a weapon that has the Block feature, like a warfan or a sentinel staff. You'd end up with a +2 enhancement against the block target's melee attacks and still have +1 enhancement against all other attacks. Combine it with Close Combat for +2 circumstance to AC and that'll help against your non adjacent enemies.

Get Defending and the Guarded Combatant discipline for only -2 attack while fighting defensively.