paizo.com Recent Posts in It seems the Fighter was nerfed toopaizo.com Recent Posts in It seems the Fighter was nerfed too2019-12-13T05:30:46Z2019-12-13T05:30:46ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: It seems the Fighter was nerfed tooUchuujinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42vjl&page=2?It-seems-the-Fighter-was-nerfed-too#532019-12-13T14:38:24Z2019-12-13T14:38:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">oholoko wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Uchuujin wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Lanathar wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Uchuujin wrote:</div><blockquote> How do I get those numbers? Pre-coffee math mostly. I should know better. </blockquote>I can see how that is misleading though. And would like to know where 189 comes from</blockquote><p>+3 Striking Greatpick has a base 4d10 damage. Power attack pushes that to 7d10. Fatal Crit makes 7d12. Average of 7d12 is 45.5
<p>Pick’s specialization effect with grievous rune adds +4 per die, so plus (7x4) = 28.</p>
<p>Weapon specialization adds +4 damage at legendary proficiency. </p>
<p>Strength of 24 (Start at 18, add +1 at 5, 10, 15,and 20, then add Belt of Giant Str) adds +7.</p>
<p>Elemental (or holy) runes add 1d6 damage each, so 2d6 with two. Average is 7.</p>
<p>45.5 + 28 + 4 + 7 + 7 = 91.5</p>
<p>91.5 x 2 = 183</p>
<p>Then fatal adds another d12, 6.5 average. 183 + 6 = 189.</p>
<p>Of course the system is still pretty new and I'm still learning all of it, so I might have multiplied something I shouldn't have.
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</blockquote><p>Okay first mistake is that you get +8 from advanced specialization so damage is actually.
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4•9(Pick specialization comes after fatal if am not mistaken and damage does not double because of a crit),
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7•2(str), 3.5•2•2(Elemental runes), 9•6.5 (weapon damage) + 8•2(weapon specialization)</p>
<p>So damage is 80+59 = 139 damage. </blockquote><p>Redoing the math is great weapon spec, and not adding the pick spec damage until after doubling, I instead get:
<p>+3 Striking Greatpick has a base 4d10 damage. Power attack pushes that to 7d10. Fatal Crit makes 7d12. Average of 7d12 is 45.5
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Greater weapon specialization adds +8 damage at legendary proficiency.
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Strength of 24 (Start at 18, add +1 at 5, 10, 15,and 20, then add Belt of Giant Str) adds +7.
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Elemental (or holy) runes add 1d6 damage each, so 2d6 with two. Average is 7.
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45.5 weapon + 8 spec + 7 str + 7 elem = 67.5
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67.5 x 2 = 135
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Pick’s specialization effect with grievous rune adds +4 per die, so plus (7x4) = 28.
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Then fatal adds another d12, 6.5 average.
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135 + 28 + 6 = 169.</p>oholoko wrote:Uchuujin wrote: Lanathar wrote: Uchuujin wrote: How do I get those numbers? Pre-coffee math mostly. I should know better.
I can see how that is misleading though. And would like to know where 189 comes from+3 Striking Greatpick has a base 4d10 damage. Power attack pushes that to 7d10. Fatal Crit makes 7d12. Average of 7d12 is 45.5 Pick’s specialization effect with grievous rune adds +4 per die, so plus (7x4) = 28.
Weapon specialization adds +4 damage at legendary proficiency.
...Uchuujin2019-12-13T14:38:24ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: It seems the Fighter was nerfed tooMalk_Contenthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42vjl&page=2?It-seems-the-Fighter-was-nerfed-too#522019-12-13T13:57:23Z2019-12-13T13:57:23Z<p>And to be fair a level 20 fighter can (without multiclassing) move twice and attack 4 times in PF2e at 0,-4,-8-8 instead of (with multiclassing) move and attack -2,-2,-7,-12,-17. So I don't think the Fighter is functionally less mobile or able to make many attacks.</p>And to be fair a level 20 fighter can (without multiclassing) move twice and attack 4 times in PF2e at 0,-4,-8-8 instead of (with multiclassing) move and attack -2,-2,-7,-12,-17. So I don't think the Fighter is functionally less mobile or able to make many attacks.Malk_Content2019-12-13T13:57:23ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: It seems the Fighter was nerfed toooholokohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42vjl&page=2?It-seems-the-Fighter-was-nerfed-too#512019-12-13T13:53:00Z2019-12-13T13:53:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Uchuujin wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Lanathar wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Uchuujin wrote:</div><blockquote> How do I get those numbers? Pre-coffee math mostly. I should know better. </blockquote>I can see how that is misleading though. And would like to know where 189 comes from</blockquote><p>+3 Striking Greatpick has a base 4d10 damage. Power attack pushes that to 7d10. Fatal Crit makes 7d12. Average of 7d12 is 45.5
<p>Pick’s specialization effect with grievous rune adds +4 per die, so plus (7x4) = 28.</p>
<p>Weapon specialization adds +4 damage at legendary proficiency. </p>
<p>Strength of 24 (Start at 18, add +1 at 5, 10, 15,and 20, then add Belt of Giant Str) adds +7.</p>
<p>Elemental (or holy) runes add 1d6 damage each, so 2d6 with two. Average is 7.</p>
<p>45.5 + 28 + 4 + 7 + 7 = 91.5</p>
<p>91.5 x 2 = 183</p>
<p>Then fatal adds another d12, 6.5 average. 183 + 6 = 189.</p>
<p>Of course the system is still pretty new and I'm still learning all of it, so I might have multiplied something I shouldn't have.
<br />
</blockquote><p>Okay first mistake is that you get +8 from advanced specialization so damage is actually.
</p>
4•9(Pick specialization comes after fatal if am not mistaken and damage does not double because of a crit),
<br />
7•2(str), 3.5•2•2(Elemental runes), 9•6.5 (weapon damage) + 8•2(weapon specialization)</p>
<p>So damage is 80+59 = 139 damage.</p>Uchuujin wrote:Lanathar wrote: Uchuujin wrote: How do I get those numbers? Pre-coffee math mostly. I should know better.
I can see how that is misleading though. And would like to know where 189 comes from+3 Striking Greatpick has a base 4d10 damage. Power attack pushes that to 7d10. Fatal Crit makes 7d12. Average of 7d12 is 45.5 Pick’s specialization effect with grievous rune adds +4 per die, so plus (7x4) = 28.
Weapon specialization adds +4 damage at legendary proficiency.
Strength of 24...oholoko2019-12-13T13:53:00Z