Winged Playable Humanoids?


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


How many playable winged humanoids are available in Pathfinder 1E?

Off the top of my head, I can think of gathlain, strix and syrinx, but I'm sure there are many more. Can anyone suggest some others?


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There are also wyvarans.

Kobolds and aasimars can gain wings with feats.

Of these three, only kobolds actually have the humanoid type -- the other two are "humanoid" only in terms of general body shape. Ditto for gathlains.


Aasimar can be humanoid with Scion of Humanity.


At Ch. Lvl. 5 Tengu's can take the Feat Tengu Wings to gain giant Crow Wings granting Fly 30ft.(Average) - although only as a 1/day (Sp), for 1 min./Ch. Lvl.

A Sorcerer/Barbarian can gain wings via certain Bloodlines, such as Celestial (Sorcerer 9) or Draconic (Sorcerer 15). Anyone with enough Feats in the Eldritch Heritage chain can also gain wings via this method, which leads me onto ...

Humans with the Racial Heritage/Planar Heritage Feat - enjoy picking Racial Feats from the Aasimar, Kobold or Tengu lists.


Humans are humanoids that can get wings with feats. They just have to spend a feat and grab racial heritage or planar heritage and pick another race that can get wings through feats.


LordKailas wrote:
Humans are humanoids that can get wings with feats. They just have to spend a feat and grab racial heritage or planar heritage and pick another race that can get wings through feats.

While humans might gain wings in some way, they won't through either of those two feats, and the limitation is actually spelled out in Planar Heritage: "...You must have the requisite physical features to gain certain benefits, as determined by the GM (for example, you cannot gain feats that augment your tail’s abilities if you do not actually have a tail)...."


Slim Jim wrote:
LordKailas wrote:
Humans are humanoids that can get wings with feats. They just have to spend a feat and grab racial heritage or planar heritage and pick another race that can get wings through feats.
While humans might gain wings in some way, they won't through either of those two feats, and the limitation is actually spelled out in Planar Heritage: "...You must have the requisite physical features to gain certain benefits, as determined by the GM (for example, you cannot gain feats that augment your tail’s abilities if you do not actually have a tail)...."

Racial Heritage does not have that stipulation, only Planar Heritage. Regardless ...

* Tengu Wings - you sprout wings (as an (Sp)) that you did not have already, so even if the stipulation had been applied to Racial Heritage it would not be a problem.

* Draconice Glide - you grow a pair of wings that you did not have already, so even if the stipulation had been applied to Racial Heritage it would not be a problem. Draconic Paragon - this strengthens said wings added by Draconic Glide to the point of providing flight.

The stipulation directly applies to Planar Heritage/Aasimar - but fortunately is again irrelevant to this method :

* Angel Wings - you "gain" (grow) wings that you did not have already, so it is not a problem.

There are no requisite physical features required by the above methods, since the Races involved do not have wings either and the Feats take that into account by granting a pair of wings (to said wingless Creatures).

However, the stipulation does prevent a Human from just taking Grasping Tail to gain a semi-aposable tail. (Despite not being stated as a requisite, Tail Terror still could not be applied to something not there anyway, so that Kobold Feat could not be coupled with the wings.)


It's funny that there are more races that get a fly speed then a burrow, climb, or swim speed.


Bets, Dragon78? There's a lot of aquatic races.

Though just to add to the flyers, bat skinwalkers can be winged humanoids. They need to get a feat and have it change them to a non-humanoid shape to fly though.


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Slim Jim wrote:
LordKailas wrote:
Humans are humanoids that can get wings with feats. They just have to spend a feat and grab racial heritage or planar heritage and pick another race that can get wings through feats.
While humans might gain wings in some way, they won't through either of those two feats, and the limitation is actually spelled out in Planar Heritage: "...You must have the requisite physical features to gain certain benefits, as determined by the GM (for example, you cannot gain feats that augment your tail’s abilities if you do not actually have a tail)...."

In these cases, what you need, in addition to the appropriate heritage feat, is a feat that actually gives you wings. A feat that augments your ability to use your wings to fly is not enough.


Technically, Sylph have "Wings of Air". Tieflings have vestigial wings, aka they can't actually fly with them. Skinwalkers (Werebats) can become bats as such they "have" wings. Ganzi also have vestigial wings.

Gargoyles have wings, but its 36 RP.

The Niobe book also introduced the Esufey with "elemental" wings

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Also would you accept 3rd party races? If so, searching pfsrd lists many different winged races. Like Vakyries, Half-Faerie Dragons, and Aellars (Elf x Giant Bird hybrid).

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BENSLAYER wrote:
Slim Jim wrote:
LordKailas wrote:
Humans are humanoids that can get wings with feats. They just have to spend a feat and grab racial heritage or planar heritage and pick another race that can get wings through feats.
While humans might gain wings in some way, they won't through either of those two feats, and the limitation is actually spelled out in Planar Heritage: "...You must have the requisite physical features to gain certain benefits, as determined by the GM (for example, you cannot gain feats that augment your tail’s abilities if you do not actually have a tail)...."

Racial Heritage does not have that stipulation, only Planar Heritage. Regardless ...

Stephen Radney-MacFarland wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Actually, Stephen, a tail is not in the prerequisites. Being a kobold is. Thus you can take the feat by RAW (though, since you've weighed in this is clearly not RAI). If you wish to make it more air-tight, please change the prerequisites.

Yes, you can take the feat, but it does no good, unless you have a tail. If you are human (no tail) and take the feat, there are ways in which you could gain a tail (including GM fiat) get a tail, hence it is not part of the prerequisites.

As a matter of design principle, I'm not sympathetic to making rules always as air-tight as you suggest. While the game may not seem to act like it sometimes, the rule of Pathfinder are not a strict code. Rather it is a matrix using our natural language with some game jargon to create a narrative, relative ease of play, and enough space to deal with complicate circumstance; a narrative, adjudicated and can be played with by a GM both to tell her tale and to create fun.

Logic will eventually have to suffice. If the feat allows you to do something with your tail, and you have no tail, the assumption that it grants you a tail is stretching. At the same time any home GM can easily come in and say that you have a tail, if it fits your character concept and her story.

As some of you have pointed out, PFS has to take a harder tact on this, and I agree. But I believe they have the tools to do so. If you are a human, who takes the Racial Heritage, you can take the feat, but it does not grant you anything if you don't have a tail. Humans do not have tails, ergo, your tail is nonexistent and can't be augment. In other words it is foolish to take the feat expecting it allows you to grow a tail. Neither feat says you grow a tail.

In other words, I have no idea how rules as written say you grow a tail. That seems purely outside the rules as written. The same could be said for a magic item of feat that augments darkvision. If it said your darkvision improves by 20 feet, but you don't have darkvision that...


Thanks for the responses so far. I should have stipulated up front that I'm not looking for feats to help acquire wings; I'm only looking for playable races in which all normal individuals have wings.

In other words, I'm looking for races which are born with natural wings, and use them throughout their lives just like their other limbs. Thus I'm not looking for <methods> to acquire wings for races that ordinarily don't have them, such as feats, spells, templates, grafts, etc. Rather I'm looking for those playable races that have wings as part of the baseline definition of their species.

Given this, are there any races that qualify in addition to strix, syrinx, gathlain, wyvarans and gargoyles?


In that case Tiefling (Vestigial wings are wings), Skinwalker - Werebat is questionable as are Tengu; then the rest really is just like I said of searching for "Wings" on pfsrd.


If 3rd party is an option, then IIRC taninim and half-faerie dragons can fly.

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