Is the GM 'playing' the scenario when they GM?


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Regarding GM Glyphs and handing out extra hero points at the start of a session the guide says:

"When playing a scenario, they can distribute a number of Hero Points equal to their number of glyphs to the other players at the table. Distribute these Hero Points during the portion of the scenario in which players are slotting boons. A player cannot gain more than one Hero Point from the table’s GM glyphs."

Is the GM of the scenario 'playing' the scenario for the purpose of this rule? Or is this only activated when the person controlling a PC has glyphs? (In most places I've been people have been interpreting the former, but I'm thinking our local area might have it wrong)

Grand Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Until this is clarified, I'd go with whatever ruling is most favorable to the players.

Hmm

Scarab Sages 3/5 Venture-Agent, Nebraska—Bellevue aka JohannVonUlm

Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Until this is clarified, I'd go with whatever ruling is most favorable to the players.

Hmm

I would think the opposite. As a GM, you have complete control over awarding hero points per the CRB. So that isn't really a bonus. However, when someone sits down as a player AND has GM glyphs -- then the ability to hand out an extra hero point is a bonus to the table.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

NielsenE wrote:

"When playing a scenario, they can distribute a number of Hero Points equal to their number of glyphs to the other players at the table. Distribute these Hero Points during the portion of the scenario in which players are slotting boons. A player cannot gain more than one Hero Point from the table’s GM glyphs."

Is the GM of the scenario 'playing' the scenario for the purpose of this rule? Or is this only activated when the person controlling a PC has glyphs? (In most places I've been people have been interpreting the former, but I'm thinking our local area might have it wrong)

No. This is when a person has GM Glyphs and he's sitting down to play with other players & a GM. If he has 1 glyph, he can give out 1 extra hero point along with the GM's distributed hero points.

Dark Archive 4/5 Venture-Agent, Finland—Turku aka Tomppa

I agree with John and Christian. While I'd normally go with a ruling that favors the players, I don't really see the need here - The GM is already distributing hero points, and an official ruling. Besides, the GM is the judge, the game master, the narrator, and running the story. They aren't "playing" per say, because they aren't one of the Players.

Dark Archive 4/5 Venture-Agent, Finland—Turku aka Tomppa

I wanted to add that if a GM decides to give the players extra hero points for his glyphs, I wouldn't stop them even though I don't think that's how it's supposed to work. However, as a player, I certainly wouldn't expect or request a GM to hand them out.

Grand Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
Until this is clarified, I'd go with whatever ruling is most favorable to the players.

I'm in the minority here, and I realize your arguments make sense. I just want to see this clarified.

Hmm

Liberty's Edge 3/5 Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

Sorry Hilary, but there is a point of being too generous to the players. As other have already pointed out, the GM already is suppose to hand out hero points to the characters/players at the start of the scenario. To also allow the GM with glyphs to also hand out a hero point (or two) is too much.

So to answer the OP, no, a GM is not playing the scenario in my view.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

Gary Bush wrote:

Sorry Hilary, but there is a point of being too generous to the players. As other have already pointed out, the GM already is suppose to hand out hero points to the characters/players at the start of the scenario. To also allow the GM with glyphs to also hand out a hero point (or two) is too much.

So to answer the OP, no, a GM is not playing the scenario in my view.

I'm not sure if you understand the OP's question. The rule is activated if the person has Glyphs and is playing a PC with the other players. So, in a sense, switch out "GM" with "A person with GM glyphs".

Dark Archive 4/5 Venture-Agent, Finland—Turku aka Tomppa

Although, I don't think this will matter later. Sooner or later any active venue with more than 1 active GM will see players with Glyphs in the table. As the max amount of extra hero points is 1 per player, we'll reach a point where everybody (or almost everybody) in the table gets an extra hero point from someone else having glyph(s).

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John Brinkman wrote:
Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Until this is clarified, I'd go with whatever ruling is most favorable to the players.

Hmm

I would think the opposite. As a GM, you have complete control over awarding hero points per the CRB. So that isn't really a bonus. However, when someone sits down as a player AND has GM glyphs -- then the ability to hand out an extra hero point is a bonus to the table.

I'll look at getting the team together tomorrow to verify that we're all on the same page about a clarification here, but my understanding is that the referenced ruling on GM glyphs applies to players with glyphs, not the GM running the game (since the GM running the game does have the ability to award Hero Points as they deem appropriate anyways).

Related, starting this month with 1–09: Star-Crossed Voyages, you'll begin to see reminders throughout each scenario of points where we expect the GMs to have awarded a Hero Point; we do expect the party to have 1 Hero Point apiece by the time the mission briefing ends and they've slotted their boons, and to collectively receive about 1 Hero Point per hour of gameplay as outlined on page 507 of the CRB.

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Michael Sayre wrote:


Related, starting this month with 1–09: Star-Crossed Voyages, you'll begin to see reminders throughout each scenario of points where we expect the GMs to have awarded a Hero Point; we do expect the party to have 1 Hero Point apiece by the time the mission briefing ends and they've slotted their boons, and to collectively receive about 1 Hero Point per hour of gameplay as outlined on page 507 of the CRB.

I noticed this in a quick glance through of the scenario, and it's definitely appreciated. I haven't given out any extra Hero Points in my 8 run games so far, though they haven't been needed. A big part of this is the difficulty in figuring out who should get them for what and keeping track of when. Having scenario reminders/suggestions makes it a lot easier.

Grand Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Thank you so much for both clarifications, Michael!

Grand Lodge 3/5 Venture-Agent, Australia—QLD—Gold Coast aka DanielB

Michael Sayre wrote:
John Brinkman wrote:
Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Until this is clarified, I'd go with whatever ruling is most favorable to the players.

Hmm

Related, starting this month with 1–09: Star-Crossed Voyages, you'll begin to see reminders throughout each scenario of points where we expect the GMs to have awarded a Hero Point;

This is good our group tends to forget until someone gets in a tight spot

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DrParty06 wrote:
Michael Sayre wrote:


Related, starting this month with 1–09: Star-Crossed Voyages, you'll begin to see reminders throughout each scenario of points where we expect the GMs to have awarded a Hero Point; we do expect the party to have 1 Hero Point apiece by the time the mission briefing ends and they've slotted their boons, and to collectively receive about 1 Hero Point per hour of gameplay as outlined on page 507 of the CRB.
I noticed this in a quick glance through of the scenario, and it's definitely appreciated. I haven't given out any extra Hero Points in my 8 run games so far, though they haven't been needed. A big part of this is the difficulty in figuring out who should get them for what and keeping track of when. Having scenario reminders/suggestions makes it a lot easier.

Most of the GMs at my local lodge use physical tokens for hero points. They have special coins and hand them out at the beginning. They also hand out the additional ones earned through play as well as collect expended ones.

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