paizo.com Recent Posts in Lost Omen Guide PF2paizo.com Recent Posts in Lost Omen Guide PF22020-01-15T13:43:17Z2020-01-15T13:43:17ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Garulo (alias of tomas rosenberg)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1322020-01-28T20:04:37Z2020-01-25T22:42:34Z<p>Hopefully, we are getting close to the release date for sanctioned LOWG and LOCG content</p>Hopefully, we are getting close to the release date for sanctioned LOWG and LOCG contentGarulo (alias of tomas rosenberg)2020-01-25T22:42:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2MadScientistWorkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1312020-01-17T18:28:05Z2020-01-16T12:00:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Richard Lowe wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Folks have raised the concern that lax sanctioning can later lead to massive frustration, if the society at large decides material is inappropriate for all ages (e.g., the vivisectionist, the grave warden) or not well balanced (e.g., the summoner—especially the synthesist, the vivisectionist).</p>
<p>Of course we want to avoid that, but in 1E, sanctioning didn’t prevent some players from building overpowered characters that frustrated judges and other players. I do this myself when it comes to maximizing Diplomacy bonuses on my characters…
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</blockquote>I strongly agree that a culture of "don't try and break things" would be great but... have you meet nerds? Mathematical combinations, optimisation, and so on are the favourite part of the game for many, I would hope that despite this everyone can understand they should allow each player at the table a chance to shine and that soloing a scenario isn't fun for anyone except you, but... :/ </blockquote><p>I mean it's less nerds and more PF1 is really imbalanced. It says how imbalanced it is when a downgrade to a class (Sorry I've never seen sneak attack be responsible for 1 star scenario reviews) is considered overpowered. Yeah I know vivisectionist is better than the rogue but that's not a high bar.Richard Lowe wrote:Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:
Folks have raised the concern that lax sanctioning can later lead to massive frustration, if the society at large decides material is inappropriate for all ages (e.g., the vivisectionist, the grave warden) or not well balanced (e.g., the summoner—especially the synthesist, the vivisectionist).Of course we want to avoid that, but in 1E, sanctioning didn’t prevent some players from building overpowered characters that frustrated judges and...MadScientistWorking2020-01-16T12:00:59ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Richard Lowehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1302020-01-16T09:59:09Z2020-01-15T22:38:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Folks have raised the concern that lax sanctioning can later lead to massive frustration, if the society at large decides material is inappropriate for all ages (e.g., the vivisectionist, the grave warden) or not well balanced (e.g., the summoner—especially the synthesist, the vivisectionist).</p>
<p>Of course we want to avoid that, but in 1E, sanctioning didn’t prevent some players from building overpowered characters that frustrated judges and other players. I do this myself when it comes to maximizing Diplomacy bonuses on my characters…
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</blockquote><p>I'd just like to take a moment to address this, my experience with the sanctioning process is utterly the opposite. The word 'lax' should never be used in my opinion, the Paizo staff and Venture Officers who help with that task spend countless hours on their evaluations and on discussing them, trying to allow as many options as possible without anything that risks creating imbalances that will harm the campaign, there is nothing lax, haphazard or anything of the sort about it.
<p>Does stuff that is broken slip through sometimes? Sure! Unless sanctioning involved hundreds of people it's always going to risk missing some corner case combo that breaks things, but the time and effort involved to work with and go through that many reviews would make the current sanctioning schedule look like light speed, so that's not an option.</p>
<p>I strongly agree that a culture of "don't try and break things" would be great but... have you meet nerds? Mathematical combinations, optimisation, and so on are the favourite part of the game for many, I would hope that despite this everyone can understand they should allow each player at the table a chance to shine and that soloing a scenario isn't fun for anyone except you, but... :/</p>Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:Folks have raised the concern that lax sanctioning can later lead to massive frustration, if the society at large decides material is inappropriate for all ages (e.g., the vivisectionist, the grave warden) or not well balanced (e.g., the summoner—especially the synthesist, the vivisectionist).Of course we want to avoid that, but in 1E, sanctioning didn’t prevent some players from building overpowered characters that frustrated judges and other players. I do...Richard Lowe2020-01-15T22:38:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2MadScientistWorkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1292020-01-15T17:45:25Z2020-01-15T15:14:48Z<p>The battle medicine is an issue with the fans and not the game itself. It's a side effect of rules interactions now being 100% literal meaning that you get situations that are odd but ehhhh.</p>The battle medicine is an issue with the fans and not the game itself. It's a side effect of rules interactions now being 100% literal meaning that you get situations that are odd but ehhhh.MadScientistWorking2020-01-15T15:14:48ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1282020-01-15T13:54:39Z2020-01-15T13:54:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lau Bannenberg wrote:</div><blockquote>some problems have been festering (Battle Medicine..)</blockquote><p>As someone who has participated in that <a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42pwu?Battle-Medicine-How-Many-Hands" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">400+ post thread</a>, I really hope a "Campaign Clarification" gets released at some point. The CRB Errata didn't address it, and the Rules Team has given no direction as to whether they even see a problem with it.Lau Bannenberg wrote:some problems have been festering (Battle Medicine..)
As someone who has participated in that 400+ post thread, I really hope a "Campaign Clarification" gets released at some point. The CRB Errata didn't address it, and the Rules Team has given no direction as to whether they even see a problem with it.Nefreet2020-01-15T13:54:39ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Ascalaphushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1272020-01-15T13:54:51Z2020-01-15T09:59:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote>1. Lessen the need for sanctioning by encouraging players to self-monitor. </blockquote><p>I don't think this will work at all. If you look at PF1, yeah, it would be hard to rebuild a character if you realize that the build was OP. But plenty of people with OP characters didn't take the next character as an opportunity to build a more moderate one; most of them have a whole roster of OP characters.
<p>Another thing is that organized play is intended to be cross-regional. What's considered appropriately powerful in one region may be hated elsewhere. Self-monitoring can't really cope with that, because what are you going to do? If I'm in the other town, I'll redesign because I'm OP there?</p>
<p>Organized play requires a degree of standardization so that moving from one table to another goes smoothly. </p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote>2. Have faith in 2E’s greater game balance architecture.</blockquote><p>As someone who reviews books for AR, I can tell you that PF2 is substantially easier to review than Starfinder because the way the game is balanced is much easier to see. And as much as some problems have been festering (Battle Medicine..), overall the language tends to be clearer and more precise.
<p>That said, review is still necessary. But I can say that the amount of work it takes to review the book is not the bottleneck of the process.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote>3. Standardize what sanctioning guidelines we can and share that with the broader Paizo team.</blockquote><p>This seems to go against the grain for Paizo;
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- They've always maintained that most materials aren't designed just for organized play, so some material would never be appropriate.
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- All final decisions are in the hands of the campaign leadership.
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- From experience I can tell you that I would not trust upstream creatives to always do a good job at vetting their own work for organized play suitability. While PF2 has been pretty good quality, we had to request a LOT of clarifications about COM.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote>4. Publish results of sanctioning in two steps.</blockquote><p>I'm conflicted about this. On the one hand it's frustrating how much technology seems to be the bottleneck to the sanctioning process. Just getting stuff done with a forum post is tempting. But PFS1 is littered with ancient forum posts setting forth this ruling or that and it's completely unmaintainable. "Temporary" measures tended to take away the pressure to come up with better permanent solutions.
<p>Personally I think organized play should use a simpler CMS for this that doesn't require IT people to input AR stuff. Thus, I'm quite baffled that the OPF wiki page isn't going to be the main AR source.</p>Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:1. Lessen the need for sanctioning by encouraging players to self-monitor.
I don't think this will work at all. If you look at PF1, yeah, it would be hard to rebuild a character if you realize that the build was OP. But plenty of people with OP characters didn't take the next character as an opportunity to build a more moderate one; most of them have a whole roster of OP characters. Another thing is that organized play is intended to be cross-regional....Ascalaphus2020-01-15T09:59:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1262020-01-15T09:20:59Z2020-01-14T21:54:28Z<p>Although I agree that "playing with the whole table in mind" is a wholesome idea, and probably the majority of players already do that, it's impossible to apply. There is no one consensus among unsociable gamers on what's universally restrained. And everyone has their own weaknesses (and may or may not be aware of them).</p>Although I agree that "playing with the whole table in mind" is a wholesome idea, and probably the majority of players already do that, it's impossible to apply. There is no one consensus among unsociable gamers on what's universally restrained. And everyone has their own weaknesses (and may or may not be aware of them).Nefreet2020-01-14T21:54:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Saint Bernard de Clairveauxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1252020-01-18T07:36:04Z2020-01-14T21:50:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kevin Willis wrote:</div><blockquote>Or to put it another way: I don’t believe players should get to use out-of-scale builds (even temporarily) with no consequences just because they found interactions the review team did not. But if Campaign Leadership doesn’t publicly comment for months (or years) it’s unfair to yank out the keystone with no recompense. </blockquote><p>I guess I don't understand why we would have a culture of punishing folks for making unbalanced choices, especially if we're all helping each other grow to be better players and community members. In any case, punishing a specific choice doesn't necessarily help the person understand how to play with the whole table in mind...Kevin Willis wrote:Or to put it another way: I don’t believe players should get to use out-of-scale builds (even temporarily) with no consequences just because they found interactions the review team did not. But if Campaign Leadership doesn’t publicly comment for months (or years) it’s unfair to yank out the keystone with no recompense.
I guess I don't understand why we would have a culture of punishing folks for making unbalanced choices, especially if we're all helping each other grow to...Saint Bernard de Clairveaux2020-01-14T21:50:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1242020-01-14T21:51:15Z2020-01-14T21:50:12Z<p>I argue that your "C’mon, Organized Play" point does not apply to the majority of players.</p>
<p>Some obviously abuse options. The people most hurt by that decision didn't.</p>I argue that your "C’mon, Organized Play" point does not apply to the majority of players.
Some obviously abuse options. The people most hurt by that decision didn't.Nefreet2020-01-14T21:50:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Belafonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1232020-01-14T22:26:05Z2020-01-14T21:40:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nefreet wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote>And of course support free retraining in those cases where a decision is made to reel back a character option.</blockquote>This discussion recently spurned its own thread over in the Starfinder Society Forum, when the <i>Ring of Fangs</i> was banned and players weren't allowed a rebuild.</blockquote><p>The <i>ring of fangs</i> debacle left a really bad taste in my mouth, but also left me feeling torn down the middle.
<p>On the one hand: “C’mon, players! That item enabled builds way more powerful than they should have been. If you make a build using an item that is so obviously out of scale, you shouldn’t expect to get rebuilds when it is banned or errata’d.”</p>
<p>On the other hand: “C’mon, Organized Play! That item enabled builds way more powerful than they should have been. Even if it’s going to be months between the time you become aware of the out-of-scale build and the next release of Additional Resources it only takes a minute to post ‘we are investigating this item and will not be offering rebuilds in the event of banning or errata.’”
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Or to put it another way: I don’t believe players should get to use out-of-scale builds (even temporarily) with no consequences just because they found interactions the review team did not. But if Campaign Leadership doesn’t publicly comment for months (or years) it’s unfair to yank out the keystone with no recompense.</p>Nefreet wrote:Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:And of course support free retraining in those cases where a decision is made to reel back a character option.
This discussion recently spurned its own thread over in the Starfinder Society Forum, when the Ring of Fangs was banned and players weren't allowed a rebuild.The ring of fangs debacle left a really bad taste in my mouth, but also left me feeling torn down the middle. On the one hand: “C’mon, players! That item enabled builds way more...Belafon2020-01-14T21:40:30ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1222020-01-27T03:00:32Z2020-01-14T21:10:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:</div><blockquote>And of course support free retraining in those cases where a decision is made to reel back a character option.</blockquote><p>This discussion recently spurned its own thread over in the Starfinder Society Forum, when the <i>Ring of Fangs</i> was banned and players weren't allowed a rebuild. It was then that I decided to cancel my Starfinder subscription to "protest with my wallet".
<p>I truly hope both Campaigns embrace free rebuilds when the rules change. I think it's the most unreasonable practice currently in place. I understand why sanctioning is delayed. I don't understand why <i>•players•</i> are punished when Paizo changes their mind.</p>Saint Bernard de Clairveaux wrote:And of course support free retraining in those cases where a decision is made to reel back a character option.
This discussion recently spurned its own thread over in the Starfinder Society Forum, when the Ring of Fangs was banned and players weren't allowed a rebuild. It was then that I decided to cancel my Starfinder subscription to "protest with my wallet". I truly hope both Campaigns embrace free rebuilds when the rules change. I think it's the most...Nefreet2020-01-14T21:10:17ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Saint Bernard de Clairveauxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1212020-01-18T07:33:39Z2020-01-14T20:15:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nefreet wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I, personally, don't see a compromise between thoroughly vetting Additional Resources and timely vetting Additional Resources, and I doubt Paizo does, either.</p>
<p>Do you have a suggestion on how these two issues can be solved together? </blockquote><p>I agree with you, Nefreet. Thanks for engaging in dialog about this.
<p>I do apologize to folks for being a bit heated in some of my remarks. I've meant to avoid personal attacks, while still being clear about the urgency I see to improve the process.</p>
<p>I don’t claim to have all the answers to speeding up sanctioning. That said, here are some ideas I’d put out there which might be helpful collectively:</p>
<p><b>1. Lessen the need for sanctioning by encouraging players to self-monitor. </b></p>
<p>There is unbalanced or Society-inappropriate material, and then there is the will to exploit such material...</p>
<p>Why not add to the organized play community guidelines language that urges players to help preserve game balance? That includes being open to character redesign if it turns out they've built something that breaks the spirit of collective fun?</p>
<p>Folks have raised the concern that lax sanctioning can later lead to massive frustration, if the society at large decides material is inappropriate for all ages (e.g., the vivisectionist, the grave warden) or not well balanced (e.g., the summoner—especially the synthesist, the vivisectionist).</p>
<p>Of course we want to avoid that, but in 1E, sanctioning didn’t prevent some players from building overpowered characters that frustrated judges and other players. I do this myself when it comes to maximizing Diplomacy bonuses on my characters…</p>
<p>I suggest we build a culture where we encourage each other to shine, and be willing to tone it down if we’ve over-optimized characters or play in a way that’s offensive to others. </p>
<p>And of course support free retraining in those cases where a decision is made to reel back a character option.</p>
<p>I don’t suggest this as a replacement for sanctioning, but as something that could help make the process less painstaking. It might have the added benefit of strengthening the community.</p>
<p><b>2. Have faith in 2E’s greater game balance architecture.</b></p>
<p>One of the things that sometimes rankles me about 2E is that it’s SOOO balanced. I get frustrated that I can’t build 1E-style diplomancers that roll in the 30s to 50s on every check. But I’m also glad, because I don’t want my love of playing Face who are more charming than I am to break the table.</p>
<p>Point is, I think 2E’s developers have created a game that will be much easier to keep balanced over time. There may still be power creep and small exploitable loopholes. But there’s much less reason to worry.</p>
<p><b>3. Standardize what sanctioning guidelines we can and share that with the broader Paizo team.</b></p>
<p>There are a few things that we always seem to know are a concern in organized play:</p>
<p>• <i>Uncommon options meant to be rewards:</i> We reserve some options as rewards for longterm participation / GMing—like uncommon ancestries or certain very unique items.</p>
<p>• <i>Sensitive subject matter:</i> Some options are barred due to being overly sensitive for a family audience. This includes classes that require a character to be evil. I suggest being as specific as possible in these guidelines, since one person’s idea of, say, sexual appropriateness can be repression to another. (I’m SOOO glad that in 2E slavery is clearly defined as evil.)</p>
<p>• <i>Options that are designed for home play/don’t work with society mechanics:</i> This one might require some work to define. I’m thinking most of the extensive downtime rules in Starfinder’s Character Operations Manual.</p>
<p>• <i>Broken stuff:</i> Options that genuinely break the game and can't be addressed by an errata.</p>
<p>It may be that, by fleshing out these guidelines, staff could send them upstream in the publication process—perhaps turning them into tags, making some materials essentially pre-sanctioned.</p>
<p>Alternately, baking some of these guidelines into Society rules could help make some options clear right away — for example, set a cost of 5 ACP to play any uncommon ancestry, or 3 to choose an uncommon heritage or archetype. (And since the ACP system isn't quite set up yet, perhaps let people buy on credit.)</p>
<p>It might take a bit of up front work on the part of organized play staff or volunteers, but it seems like some of these options are clear. </p>
<p><b>4. Publish results of sanctioning in two steps.</b></p>
<p>First, the <b>quick and dirty method</b>: Create a post in the format most easily accessed by regular staff—via a blog post or message board post. Get out the word by posting a link to the Facebook group, Slack, etc. like the team normally does.</p>
<p>Second, the <b>long term, centralized option</b>: Send the same text along to the web designer, to add to the centralized <i>Additional Resources </i>page.</p>
<p>I agree that this would add some additional steps to the process—but I've seen similar changes actually make an overall workflow more efficient, while greatly improving customer satisfaction.</p>Nefreet wrote:I, personally, don't see a compromise between thoroughly vetting Additional Resources and timely vetting Additional Resources, and I doubt Paizo does, either.
Do you have a suggestion on how these two issues can be solved together?
I agree with you, Nefreet. Thanks for engaging in dialog about this. I do apologize to folks for being a bit heated in some of my remarks. I've meant to avoid personal attacks, while still being clear about the urgency I see to improve the process.
...Saint Bernard de Clairveaux2020-01-14T20:15:43ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Adam Ashworthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1202020-01-14T16:10:50Z2020-01-14T15:57:11Z<p>I hope they are able to get the new hire processed quickly, and make their goal of sanctioning materials by the end of the month. Thanks for sharing the blog post here.</p>I hope they are able to get the new hire processed quickly, and make their goal of sanctioning materials by the end of the month. Thanks for sharing the blog post here.Adam Ashworth2020-01-14T15:57:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Philippe Lamhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1192020-01-14T09:22:10Z2020-01-14T09:17:46Z<p>I doubt there's a perfect answer, but ideally the staffer should be knowledgeable about PFS-specific issues, able to devote most of the time into it and already having previous experience into OP oversight, GMing or else, or alternatively taking some time to get used into. Being able to link on a daily basis with the more general Paizo content editing might not hurt.</p>
<p>I feel that if a hands-on dedicated PR staffer was available, some problems might have been avoided. I get the difficulty of hiring and the current Paizo situation, but in any case it's a necessary devil.</p>I doubt there's a perfect answer, but ideally the staffer should be knowledgeable about PFS-specific issues, able to devote most of the time into it and already having previous experience into OP oversight, GMing or else, or alternatively taking some time to get used into. Being able to link on a daily basis with the more general Paizo content editing might not hurt.
I feel that if a hands-on dedicated PR staffer was available, some problems might have been avoided. I get the difficulty of...Philippe Lam2020-01-14T09:17:46ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Ascalaphushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1182020-01-15T22:40:05Z2020-01-13T17:19:52Z<p>If he's not really involved in PFS and not normally up to speed on what's going on in PFS, I don't think it'll help much if he starts making lots of comments.</p>If he's not really involved in PFS and not normally up to speed on what's going on in PFS, I don't think it'll help much if he starts making lots of comments.Ascalaphus2020-01-13T17:19:52ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Belafonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1172020-01-13T18:46:26Z2020-01-13T16:54:28Z<p>I’ll be honest, I don’t know anything about the guy. I read Philippe’s post and thought “I wonder what the closest title they have to ‘PR guy’ really is.” So I opened up the 2E CRB and flipped to the credits in the back. “Hey, look! Here is someone who actually has the title of ‘Public Relations Manager.’”</p>
<p>I am utterly unsurprised that his title in print doesn’t match his title online.</p>I’ll be honest, I don’t know anything about the guy. I read Philippe’s post and thought “I wonder what the closest title they have to ‘PR guy’ really is.” So I opened up the 2E CRB and flipped to the credits in the back. “Hey, look! Here is someone who actually has the title of ‘Public Relations Manager.’”
I am utterly unsurprised that his title in print doesn’t match his title online.Belafon2020-01-13T16:54:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1162020-01-13T16:25:00Z2020-01-13T16:25:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kevin Willis wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Philippe Lam wrote:</div><blockquote>In the broader Paizo picture, I'd like them recruiting a staffer dedicated to PR, that wouldn't harm chances. </blockquote>Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.” </blockquote><p>Reading these two posts made me laugh out loud.
<p>I don't know the guy. Can't make any judgments about him or the work he performs. </p>
<p>But I've also been saying for some time that Paizo (or OP) could certainly benefit from a dedicated PR face. Whether it was smoothing over a bad FAQ or consoling a delayed product release.</p>
<p>Looking over his 55 posts, he has been addressing those very things. But extremely infrequently.</p>
<p>If I could make a suggestion, it would be for him to post the Organized Play updates to the Blog, and give Campaign Leadership that much more time to work on the Campaign.</p>
<p>Then people would be less likely to ask "Really??" when someone points out that Paizo actually does have a PR manager.</p>Kevin Willis wrote:Philippe Lam wrote:In the broader Paizo picture, I'd like them recruiting a staffer dedicated to PR, that wouldn't harm chances.
Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.” Reading these two posts made me laugh out loud. I don't know the guy. Can't make any judgments about him or the work he performs.
But I've also been saying for some time that Paizo (or OP) could certainly benefit from a dedicated PR face. Whether it was smoothing over a bad FAQ...Nefreet2020-01-13T16:25:00ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Pirate Robhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1152020-02-23T13:39:57Z2020-01-13T15:03:04Z<p>Considering last I checked PFS is considered a marketing expense for Paizo I'm surprised we don't see more from Aaron here...</p>Considering last I checked PFS is considered a marketing expense for Paizo I'm surprised we don't see more from Aaron here...Pirate Rob2020-01-13T15:03:04ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Franz Lunzerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1142020-01-13T14:51:51Z2020-01-13T14:51:51Z<p><a href="https://paizo.com/people/AaronShanks8f448" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aaron Shanks profile on Paizo</a>
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Seems he is "Marketing & Media Manager" for Paizo Inc., not necessary working with the Organized Play team.</p>Aaron Shanks profile on Paizo
Seems he is "Marketing & Media Manager" for Paizo Inc., not necessary working with the Organized Play team.Franz Lunzer2020-01-13T14:51:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Angel Hunter Dhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1132020-01-13T16:13:24Z2020-01-13T14:17:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Philippe Lam wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kevin Willis wrote:</div><blockquote> Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.” </blockquote>What matters is whether he uses the backseat, or if he's hands-on and speaking directly to everybody. </blockquote><p>Considering I don't recall ever hearing that name, he's probably more backseat.Philippe Lam wrote:Kevin Willis wrote: Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.”
What matters is whether he uses the backseat, or if he's hands-on and speaking directly to everybody. Considering I don't recall ever hearing that name, he's probably more backseat.Angel Hunter D2020-01-13T14:17:31ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Philippe Lamhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1122020-01-13T13:36:18Z2020-01-13T13:28:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kevin Willis wrote:</div><blockquote> Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.” </blockquote><p>What matters is whether he uses the backseat, or if he's hands-on and speaking directly to everybody.Kevin Willis wrote:Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.”
What matters is whether he uses the backseat, or if he's hands-on and speaking directly to everybody.Philippe Lam2020-01-13T13:28:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Belafonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1112020-01-15T22:38:52Z2020-01-13T13:17:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Philippe Lam wrote:</div><blockquote>In the broader Paizo picture, I'd like them recruiting a staffer dedicated to PR, that wouldn't harm chances. </blockquote><p>Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.”Philippe Lam wrote:In the broader Paizo picture, I'd like them recruiting a staffer dedicated to PR, that wouldn't harm chances.
Aaron Shanks has the official title of “Public Relations Manager.”Belafon2020-01-13T13:17:32ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Philippe Lamhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1102020-01-13T11:16:53Z2020-01-13T11:16:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Luke Styer wrote:</div><blockquote>Organized Play is also a driver of sales. I organize PFS at my local game store and their Pathfinder sales are almost exclusively to my PFS players. Sanctioning sells books. I saw that in PF1 when my players were ordering books to build characters from. I’d quite like to see it in Second Edition. </blockquote><p>It's true but only until some point as it depends from area to area. Most of the time one might play at home, and overhear about PFS only thereafter.
<p>The big problem is expecting the content to be sanctioned from point zero as it would require more time to currently publish it for balance review in-house, and the end result might not always be what the average joe wants (speculating, I'm not cent sure about). At worst there's always errating it specifically for PFS (like they did for PF1 Shield Brace for example), but plastering it across billboards.</p>
<p>In the broader Paizo picture, I'd like them recruiting a staffer dedicated to PR, that wouldn't harm chances.</p>Luke Styer wrote:Organized Play is also a driver of sales. I organize PFS at my local game store and their Pathfinder sales are almost exclusively to my PFS players. Sanctioning sells books. I saw that in PF1 when my players were ordering books to build characters from. I’d quite like to see it in Second Edition.
It's true but only until some point as it depends from area to area. Most of the time one might play at home, and overhear about PFS only thereafter. The big problem is expecting...Philippe Lam2020-01-13T11:16:53ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Gary Bushhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1092020-01-12T20:48:29Z2020-01-12T00:54:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The other important part of that update was that they are adding a new administrative assistant to the team. It is my profound hope that having someone to help make sure the small tasks get done will speed <i>everything</i> up that has been in stasis mode.</p>
<p>Hmm </blockquote><p>You would be excellent in that position!Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:The other important part of that update was that they are adding a new administrative assistant to the team. It is my profound hope that having someone to help make sure the small tasks get done will speed everything up that has been in stasis mode.
Hmm
You would be excellent in that position!Gary Bush2020-01-12T00:54:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Lost Omen Guide PF2Hmmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42v42&page=3?Lost-Omen-Guide-PF2#1082020-01-15T22:38:33Z2020-01-11T19:21:49Z<p>The other important part of that update was that they are adding a new administrative assistant to the team. It is my profound hope that having someone to help make sure the small tasks get done will speed <i>everything</i> up that has been in stasis mode.</p>
<p>Hmm</p>The other important part of that update was that they are adding a new administrative assistant to the team. It is my profound hope that having someone to help make sure the small tasks get done will speed everything up that has been in stasis mode.
HmmHmm2020-01-11T19:21:49Z