Captain Morgan |

So I'm preparing to convert a major PF1 loot haul from an AP to PF2. The magic items are easy enough thanks to the PF2 conversion guide and item levels. But the stacks of coins, and coin equivalent loot, have long been a sticking point for me. It has widely been acknowledged that converting money isn't as simple as PF1 gold = PF2 silver. There is a very different curve for the purchasing power of expected WBL, even taking the silver standard into account. So you need to apply a slightly different formula for conversion at any given level of play

But I've been having trouble figuring out exactly what that formula should be. I've tried 4 formulas and none of them get similar results. Two of them are from posters on this board, and the other two are my own concoctions.

A)Dividing that level's PF2 WBL by the same level's PF1 WBL. Multiply this fraction by the PF1 gold you are trying to convert.

B) Repeating the above, using the Pathfinder Conversion Guide table 2. Dividing that level's PF2 item price by the same level's PF1 item's price. Multiply this fraction by the PF1 gold you are trying to convert.

Does anyone mind sharing their thoughts on the best formula to use? Yes, this has been discussed before, but the game has been out longer and I'd like to see where the community falls on this now. And yes, I know it might be easier to just throw out an adventure's loot distribution entirely and do it from scratch using the PF2 party treasure by level table. I don't want to do that because reasons.

Forgive me if I'm not making sense. I'm very bleary eyed.

thenobledrake |

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if you're talking about the monetary stuff only, like gems worth this much, or expensive silks you could sell for that much, and piles of coins... it might be time consuming, but an accurate way to translate that would be to look at the percentage of the expected wealth gained over the course of the relevant level in PF1 it is, and then make the PF2 version the same percentage of that level's suggested treasure allotment.

Lost In Limbo |

This guide has a lot of advice for converting, scroll down to the section labeled loot.

Captain Morgan |

For level n, don't use WBL2(n)/WBL1(n), as this will include all the differences in WBL from 1 to n. Instead, calculate [WBL2(n+1)-WBL2(n)]/[WBL1(n+1)-WBL1(n)] to get the fraction of the way from level n to level n+1.

I actually eventually ran this myself last night and got numbers that lined up with another posters. I was already using their conversion multiplier by default, which makes me feel much better about using it.

Captain Morgan |

So what's the result of all this math? Is there some rough rule of thumb we can use to convert PF1 prices and loot? 10%? 5%? Some decreasing value based on certain level ranges?

My own math seems to line up with Fowlj's work at the link there. So that's what I'm going with.

https://m.imgur.com/VVBWOf9

FowlJ |

Lanathar wrote:Where did the multipliers in the link come from?As I understand it, from the same process that Waterysoup and thenobledrake described. At least that is how I got there.

Essentially, yeah. The one issue with Watery Soup's numbers are that the values for PF2's wealth by level table only represent treasure received that level, instead of counting total treasure received *by* that level way that PF1's WBL table does, so you just use WBL2(n) but still do [WBL1(n+1)-WBL1(n)].

The numbers given by doing that should be correct *assuming* that the split between 'treasure received as items' and 'treasure received as money' is sufficiently similar between the two editions that doing math to one side and not the other doesn't mess things up. I haven't verified whether that's generally true or not, so there could be a discrepancy there.

Ediwir |

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I imagine you already tried my simplified formula and did not reach the conclusion you were hoping for.

This guide has a lot of advice for converting, scroll down to the section labeled loot.

There is possibly better advice in the Subsystem - Financial Addition section ;)

There are limitations and it's more meant to be a quick&easy way to work out comparisons, but I might have something more in-depth in my old files. If I can ask, what is the issue and what is the purpose? It's probably easier to help if we know what the objective is ;)