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About to play Rise of the Runelords, looking to pull out all the cheese. Keep in mind this is the legal portion of RotRL, so this all has to be legal for society play. Which simulacrum is...
9000GP gem to create a "half" HD version of a 36th level psychic caster.
So this simulacrum is a 18th level psychic, giving him access to 9th level psychic spells. I assume when you create the simulacrum, you get to choose all their spells?
What happens when your simulacrum casts "Mind Swap, Major" on a "real" version, say a half-orc of it's "race" ?
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I assume when you create the simulacrum, you get to choose all their spells?
It appears to be the same as the original .. It cannot increase its level or abilities
The simulacrum has a subset of the spells its original knows, if its class works that way and if you have stats for the original, and has no opportunity to change them. It can use the normal abilities of its class to prepare spells daily, if the class does that.
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9000GP gem to create a "half" HD version of a 36th level psychic caster.Sure, as soon as you can point me to a PFS legal source for the statblock for a level 36 psychic caster.
So you're saying I can can create a half powered version of an elder god with 36HD?
FWIW:It's just easier to deal with making the simulacrum yourself, because "halving" the abilities of a 36HD creature is a f$!$ing nightmare...
Also, I'm almost positive than James Jacobs said you could pretty much build your simulacrum however you wanted to, including templates and whatnot, as long as they were from legal books. I'm just too lazy to find that thread right now.
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Back to my point, Simulacrum can, as long as the spell is on their spell list, use the spell "possession" and the like, yes? Therefore, it could ALSO use the spell "parasitic soul" or "mind swap, major" correct? These are all PFS "legal" spells, so that's the way it "should" work, yes?
I think this is one of the more creative spell combos I've come up with...
BTW:FWIW: I KNOW that this is HORRIBLY broken, and if it weren't the second-last time that I get to play the character, I would never do this, but he's 17th level now, so...
Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver
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I'm almost positive than James Jacobs said you could pretty much build your simulacrum however you wanted toAside from the fact that JJ himself says he can't be cited for rules questions, he's also never been involved with Organized Play.
Sorry to derail, but...
James Jacobs not involved with PFS? Really!?! How come I have an old PFS GM boon signed by James Jacobs, PFS #002? Is it a fake?|
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I'm almost positive than James Jacobs said you could pretty much build your simulacrum however you wanted toAside from the fact that JJ himself says he can't be cited for rules questions, he's also never been involved with Organized Play.
If he can't be cited, why did he answer all these questions?
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=423?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Q uestions-Here
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I'm almost positive than James Jacobs said you could pretty much build your simulacrum however you wanted toAside from the fact that JJ himself says he can't be cited for rules questions, he's also never been involved with Organized Play.If he can't be cited, why did he answer all these questions?
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=423?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Q uestions-Here
Many, many times in that thread James says some variation on "I'm not a rules source" or "ask rules questions in the rules forum." Here's one.
When he answers questions that could be considered "rulings" in that thread he is answering "what would you do if this was your campaign?" not "what's the rule for all Pathfinder?"
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As for the simulacrum question... even in PFS once you hit level 7 spells the GM is going to have to make a lot of judgment calls. You simply can't write one-size-fits-all rules for spells that are limited only by imagination. That's a big factor in why there are very few PFS scenarios above level 12.
It's going to be up to your GM, but I certainly wouldn't allow a player to make a simulacrum of a hypothetical creature. I wouldn't allow simulacrums of many unique creatures that do canonically exist.
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As for the simulacrum question... even in PFS once you hit level 7 spells the GM is going to have to make a lot of judgment calls. You simply can't write one-size-fits-all rules for spells that are limited only by imagination. That's a big factor in why there are very few PFS scenarios above level 12.
It's going to be up to your GM, but I certainly wouldn't allow a player to make a simulacrum of a hypothetical creature. I wouldn't allow simulacrums of many unique creatures that do canonically exist.
Then you're saying that you'd break the rules. Because RAW "Simulacrum creates an illusory duplicate of any creature"
The reason I built my own 18HD caster, is it's a hell of a lot easier for both player AND GM to just make an 18HD creature, than it is to "half" a 36HD creature. The 18HD caster I made up is a lot less powerful than some of the Runelords at that level...
That being said, ya'll ain't addressing my actual question, and it would be great if someone could point out flaws in my logic, with the spell combinations I've come up with, OTHER than you trying to over-rule James Jacobs on Simulacrum.
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I'm almost positive than James Jacobs said you could pretty much build your simulacrum however you wanted toAside from the fact that JJ himself says he can't be cited for rules questions, he's also never been involved with Organized Play.Sorry to derail, but...
James Jacobs not involved with PFS? Really!?! How come I have an old PFS GM boon signed by James Jacobs, PFS #002? Is it a fake?
Not saying he's never GMed or played a scenario, but I'm pretty sure he's never been a member of Campaign Leadership.
Josh Frost was in charge when you earned that Boon. I believe after that it was Mark Moreland, then Michael Brock, then Tonya before she started overseeing PFS and SFS, then John Compton, and now... Linda, I think?
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Anyways, back to the question at hand, if you're going to use Simulacrum, you're going to need to target something that appears in-game.
The Additional Resources calls out that creatures from the Bestiaries are only legal for polymorph effects. For example:
Animal Companions: ankylosaurus, aurochs, brachiosaurus, dire bat, dire rat, dolphin, elasmosaurus, electric eel, elephant/mastodon, frog, giant toad, goblin dog, hyena, monitor lizard, moray eel, octopus, orca, pteranodon, rhinoceros, roc, squid, stegosaurus, triceratops, and tyrannosaurus; Familiars: all familiars listed on pages 131-133, and imp, pseudodragon, quasit; Feats: none of the feats are legal for play for PCs, animal companions, or familiars unless specifically granted by another legal source; Other: all creatures in this book are legal for polymorph effects (including a druid's wild shape ability) within the boundaries of each spell or ability's parameters. All languages found in this book are available for a character to learn with the linguistics skill, except aboleth and drow sign language.
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If you are an 18th level caster, why are you mucking about with simulacrum?
Just cast wish. Wish to win the scenario, and then you can get a chronicle without the tedium of having to play a challenging adventure.
Wait you can do that? O.o Also maybe don't flippantly suggest something that is quite easily doable by level 7.
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I'm almost positive than James Jacobs said you could pretty much build your simulacrum however you wanted toAside from the fact that JJ himself says he can't be cited for rules questions, he's also never been involved with Organized Play.Sorry to derail, but...
James Jacobs not involved with PFS? Really!?! How come I have an old PFS GM boon signed by James Jacobs, PFS #002? Is it a fake?Not saying he's never GMed or played a scenario, but I'm pretty sure he's never been a member of Campaign Leadership.
Josh Frost was in charge when you earned that Boon. I believe after that it was Mark Moreland, then Michael Brock, then Tonya before she started overseeing PFS and SFS, then John Compton, and now... Linda, I think?
My bad. Totally thought J.J. was part of leadership back in the day.
Carry on...
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you titled it shenanigans, because you are in what needs to be home campaign stuff. 10 GMs would give 10 build answers because it is not crystal clear on how to do it.
Yeah, but my question wasn't really about what is legal for a simulacrum build, that IS up to MY gm, and these people are taking this discussion off the rails...
What I REALLY want to know, is if my spell combinations via the Simulacrum are valid or not.
The spell combination I'm curious about could be done via scrolls and a high UMD, so if they want someone valid to Simulacrum, anyone with a high UMD will do just fine...
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you titled it shenanigans, because you are in what needs to be home campaign stuff. 10 GMs would give 10 build answers because it is not crystal clear on how to do it.Yeah, but my question wasn't really about what is legal for a simulacrum build, that IS up to MY gm, and these people are taking this discussion off the rails...
What I REALLY want to know, is if my spell combinations via the Simulacrum are valid or not.
The spell combination I'm curious about could be done via scrolls and a high UMD, so if they want someone valid to Simulacrum, anyone with a high UMD will do just fine...
that is just it, we cant give you the answer, that only your GM can. if he says it works than enjoy your game. i for one dont know how it should work
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Food for thought: As far as I am aware, there is no such thing as a 36th level psychic - the class caps out at 20...
...so presumably, at best (even if you *could* design your own stat block), you would have a 10th level psychic?
That said, a Simulacrum of Achaekek would potentially be another alternative ;-)
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Something blurs the venn diagram between a PFS question and a rules question if
1) something is common
2) there's a lot of table variance
3) that variance interupts an important cog in the watch of a lot of characters.
4) its something from a splatbook which never see official errata.
5) it interacts with PFS specific rules.
Something on the edge of normal PFS play isn't common, especially in combination with a lot of other stuff
there is a lot of table variance...
but this is really a one off thing. Your DM can say yes or no and you just ...memorize a different spell when (and I do mean when) they ban that mountain of ghouda from working. It's not a central character concept, it can be shot down at one table without interfering with your play.