Level up, then Downtime? Or vice versa?


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Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

You presumably earn Experience first, and *then* perform Downtime checks... right?

Or would that potentially be too cumbersome to calculate while you're cleaning up the table?

My -2001 just hit 5th level while in the middle of Crafting, with a potential stat increase and a potential skill increase, so this question is multi-faceted.

(obviously I'd like it to be the former, but would understand if in practice it was the latter)


Downtime first.


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I've always viewed the process of the GM filling out the chronicle as happening before the chronicle is _applied_. Therefore the character hasn't leveled up.

Sovereign Court

I'm really not quite sure. Also interested in the answer.

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Oh. Wow. I was expecting more of a consensus.


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I would do downtime first. You dont level until the chronicle is applied. You cannot apply the chronicle until everything is first filled out.

Sczarni

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I never considered that perspective, before.

I was coming at this from the point of view that Downtime happens between missions, which would invariably be after experience was applied. Is leveling up a Downtime activity?

I find myself rereading your last sentence over and over again. I have my Chronicle. My GM filled out everything they were required to fill out. I stated I was using my Downtime to continue Crafting. There is no roll they had to witness.

The order of operations is what brought me here.


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

I can definitely see how the continued crafting use case would lead to that interpretation/question. I've only had one player want to craft, everyone else has always done Earn Income. And while that still has the 'technically happens between adventures' its a GM-witnessed roll.

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I've almost always* gone with Crafting, because you save more money than you'd make with Earn Income. Plus, goblin-crafted items double as pieces of art ^_^

*Except with that one Boon where you roll against a higher task level for potentially greater rewardd.

Sovereign Court

Crafting just seems more complicated?


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The implicit assumption among all the GMs I know in my area is that downtime happens before leveling up, e.g. you don't roll earned income based on your new level, but the level you had when you played the scenario.


That is certainly consistent with how I always ran it in 1e. Youd didnt get to level up and add extra skill ranks before rolling your day job.


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I'm fairly confident that "use the skills at your current level" was the general expectation in 1E as well.

For example, John Compton offered that opinion here a while back with respect to 1E.

I'm guessing the equivalent expectation did not change with 2E.

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Oh, sweet. Thanks for finding that! Works for me.

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