Questions from a new DM I am trying to help


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How does a Human with Unconventional Weaponry get access to the Critical Specialization effect of their chosen weapon? I suppose Adopted Ancestry would work, but at that point, you wouldn't need Unconventional Weaponry.

You can use Dexterity modifier to attack with Unarmed Attacks and you can also apply Sneak Attack damage to such attacks, but a Thief Rogue cannot add Dexterity modifier to damage with such attacks, correct? Seems odd, but I assume there is a design reason for this. Taking Monk dedication would then be super overpowered or something? The player in question mentioned Wolf Stance, so that is probably why?

Does the Weapon Proficiency feat give access to Uncommon weapons? The only Advanced weapons are uncommon, so the feat seems to do little if you can't actually purchase the weapon. A Versatile Human that takes General Training can do this at level 1. Yes, I have already pointed out that this is a dead end as the weapon(s) gained won't increase Proficiency with their class and there are no Expert, Master, Legendary, or Ancestry-like Feats to keep up. And the Critical Specialization problem shows up here again as well. Are Ancestry, Monastic Weaponry, Cleric Deity, and Deific Weapon the only ways to gain access to Uncommon weapons and the only way to get the follow-up improvements (crit spec and proficiency)? Can a character with access buy such a weapon for a character with proficiency but not access? (ie, can a Gnome buy Kukris for a Human Rogue? Can a cleric of Zon-Kuthon buy a Spiked Chain for the Fighter?)

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Darkbridger wrote:
How does a Human with Unconventional Weaponry get access to the Critical Specialization effect of their chosen weapon? I suppose Adopted Ancestry would work, but at that point, you wouldn't need Unconventional Weaponry.

You'd want to pick a class that gives you critical specialization effects. For example, a level 5 fighter increases his proficiency to master with the simple and martial weapons in a particular weapon group, and gains critical specialization with the weapons in that group that he's a master at. But Unconventional Weaponry lets a fighter treat even an advanced uncommon weapon as martial for the purposes of proficiency. So by level 5 a fighter would get it quite easily. The ancestry feats are mostly intended for if you're not a martial class.

Darkbridger wrote:
You can use Dexterity modifier to attack with Unarmed Attacks and you can also apply Sneak Attack damage to such attacks, but a Thief Rogue cannot add Dexterity modifier to damage with such attacks, correct? Seems odd, but I assume there is a design reason for this. Taking Monk dedication would then be super overpowered or something? The player in question mentioned Wolf Stance, so that is probably why?

You're correct that you can't, and you're probably correct about the reason. Rogues get to be the best at Dex to damage, while monks get to be the best at unarmed strikes. Because monks don't get Dex to damage their Finesse styles have much higher damage dice than most Finesse weapons. If Dex to damage rogues got those, the whole point of the balance exercise would be lost.

Darkbridger wrote:

Does the Weapon Proficiency feat give access to Uncommon weapons? The only Advanced weapons are uncommon, so the feat seems to do little if you can't actually purchase the weapon. A Versatile Human that takes General Training can do this at level 1. Yes, I have already pointed out that this is a dead end as the weapon(s) gained won't increase Proficiency with their class and there are no Expert, Master, Legendary, or Ancestry-like Feats to keep up. And the Critical Specialization problem shows up here again as well. Are Ancestry, Monastic Weaponry, Cleric Deity, and Deific Weapon the only ways to gain access to Uncommon weapons and the only way to get the follow-up improvements (crit spec and proficiency)? Can a character with access buy such a weapon for a character with proficiency but not access? (ie, can a Gnome buy Kukris for a Human Rogue? Can a cleric of Zon-Kuthon buy a Spiked Chain for the Fighter?)

There are generally two ways to get access to an uncommon thing:

- If a mechanic gives it to you, like Unconventional Weaponry.
- If you work for it during the campaign, you might get it as a reward.

Weapon Proficiency isn't a really great feat.


Ascalaphus wrote:
Darkbridger wrote:
How does a Human with Unconventional Weaponry get access to the Critical Specialization effect of their chosen weapon? I suppose Adopted Ancestry would work, but at that point, you wouldn't need Unconventional Weaponry.
You'd want to pick a class that gives you critical specialization effects. For example, a level 5 fighter increases his proficiency to master with the simple and martial weapons in a particular weapon group, and gains critical specialization with the weapons in that group that he's a master at. But Unconventional Weaponry lets a fighter treat even an advanced uncommon weapon as martial for the purposes of proficiency. So by level 5 a fighter would get it quite easily. The ancestry feats are mostly intended for if you're not a martial class.

Problem here is that the class in question doesn't do this. Every other ancestry has a crit spec feat, except Human. I'll recommend the DM add one if his player is insistent.

Ascalaphus wrote:

There are generally two ways to get access to an uncommon thing:

- If a mechanic gives it to you, like Unconventional Weaponry.
- If you work for it during the campaign, you might get it as a reward.

Weapon Proficiency isn't a really great feat.

And this is the point I think. I'd go a step further and say it is an outright terrible feat. I guess I can tell him to house rule a couple of new feats for crit spec and proficiency scaling, but doubtlessly someone will point out that would devalue the ancestry feats. <shrug> This is for character creation, so in-campaign access would be too late in this player's view. And sure, the GM could just allow it like the rules seem to imply.

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