AC Bear - Intimidation


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Question - Does the mighty bear (or any animal) rearing up to intimidate an PC/NPC take the -4 circumstance penalty to demoralize or am I missing something?(It looks like RAW it does)

Relevant section from demoralize:
"If the target does not understand the language you are speaking, you’re not speaking a language, or they can’t hear you, you take a
–4 circumstance penalty to the check."


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Bears aren't even given an intimidation modifier.

To be honest, the rules really don't do well to represent animals - they are built to make PCs doing normal PC stuff and monsters doing normal monster stuff work, and that doesn't really include creatures (other than PCs) using the Demoralize action because they aren't really prone to trash talk during a fight.

That's why creatures that are meant to be particularly talented at frightening characters have a special ability to do so rather than just having a high Intimidation modifier and using the Demoralize action.

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thenobledrake wrote:

Bears aren't even given an intimidation modifier.

To be honest, the rules really don't do well to represent animals - they are built to make PCs doing normal PC stuff and monsters doing normal monster stuff work, and that doesn't really include creatures (other than PCs) using the Demoralize action because they aren't really prone to trash talk during a fight.

That's why creatures that are meant to be particularly talented at frightening characters have a special ability to do so rather than just having a high Intimidation modifier and using the Demoralize action.

Well, there goes the Bear animal companion whose special skill is Intimidation


(That said, giving it to bears is probably fine)


Laran wrote:
thenobledrake wrote:

Bears aren't even given an intimidation modifier.

To be honest, the rules really don't do well to represent animals - they are built to make PCs doing normal PC stuff and monsters doing normal monster stuff work, and that doesn't really include creatures (other than PCs) using the Demoralize action because they aren't really prone to trash talk during a fight.

That's why creatures that are meant to be particularly talented at frightening characters have a special ability to do so rather than just having a high Intimidation modifier and using the Demoralize action.

Well, there goes the Bear animal companion whose special skill is Intimidation

That rule, implies IMO, a PC or sentient creature using demoralize. Just find a way for the bear to have trained intimidate and hand waive that part.


Most humanoids are able to understand certain aspects of the Ursine language. It's not like, say, a Tien wanderer looking at a little black critter with white stripes stamping its forepaws before turning its rear at them (Nature check).

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