Errata or did i miss something?


Swashbuckler Playtest


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Finishers:
"You can use a finisher only if you have panache,
and you lose your panache immediately after performing a
finisher.
"

"FINISHING FOLLOW-THROUGH FEAT 2
SWASHBUCKLER
When your finisher downs your foe, doing so maintains your swagger. If your finisher brings the target of your Strike to 0 Hit Points (or brings the highest-level target to 0 Hit Points, if your finisher allows you to attack multiple targets), you do not lose your panache at the start of your next turn."

I believe either the finishers are wrong and they should read that you lose the panache at the start of your next round (instead of immediately) or that the feat needs to say that you don't lose the panache immediately (instead of at the start of your next round)


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I assume that the way Panache, Finishers, and Retorts interacted in the past made it so Panache didn't clear out until the turn after you use it on a Finisher, and Finishers had text to force them to be once per round. This would make the language on Retorts simpler, and allow you to benefit from the other Panache-related bonuses in the meantime, while preventing you from gaining Panache again until your next turn to enforce some downtime in Panache. At some point they reworded the system to as it is, but missed updating this feat.

That's all wild speculation, of course. And not directly related. I believe the RAI should be that you don't lose your Panache (immediately or otherwise) after your finisher finishes a foe.

Designer

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It should say you do not lose your panache immediately after performing the finisher.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Another related clarification:

Under Opportunistic Retort, we see "You can perform a retort only if you used a finisher on your most recent turn or have panache, but if you didn’t perform a finisher on your most recent turn, you lose panache after using a retort."

Does this mean, when you have Finishing Follow-Through and use a finisher that meets its conditions, you can use a retort before your next turn and not lose panache?

Mark Seifter wrote:
It should say you do not lose your panache immediately after performing the finisher.


ssims2 wrote:

Another related clarification:

Under Opportunistic Retort, we see "You can perform a retort only if you used a finisher on your most recent turn or have panache, but if you didn’t perform a finisher on your most recent turn, you lose panache after using a retort."

Does this mean, when you have Finishing Follow-Through and use a finisher that meets its conditions, you can use a retort before your next turn and not lose panache?

Mark Seifter wrote:
It should say you do not lose your panache immediately after performing the finisher.

yes. As well if you gain panache after a finisher and you perform a retort afterwards.

in both occasions you should be keeping your panache.

Designer

Shroudb is correct.

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