Meld into Stone and Earth Elemental


Rules Questions


So, if Earth Elemental earth glides into stone where spellcaster is melding into, I presume Elemental can attack the caster? Is the spellcaster helpless, or have any disadvantage (can't see the attacker)?

Can elemental bull rush someone out of the stone?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Mel into stone wrote:

Meld into stone enables you to meld your body and possessions into a single block of stone. The stone must be large enough to accommodate your body in all three dimensions. When the casting is complete, you and not more than 100 pounds of nonliving gear merge with the stone. If either condition is violated, the spell fails and is wasted.

While in the stone, you remain in contact, however tenuous, with the face of the stone through which you melded. You remain aware of the passage of time and can cast spells on yourself while hiding in the stone. Nothing that goes on outside the stone can be seen, but you can still hear what happens around you. Minor physical damage to the stone does not harm you, but its partial destruction (to the extent that you no longer fit within it) expels you and deals you 5d6 points of damage. The stone's complete destruction expels you and slays you instantly unless you make a DC 18 Fortitude save. Even if you make your save, you still take 5d6 points of damage.

Any time before the duration expires, you can step out of the stone through the surface that you entered. If the spell's duration expires or the effect is dispelled before you voluntarily exit the stone, you are violently expelled and take 5d6 points of damage.

The following spells harm you if cast upon the stone that you are occupying. Stone to flesh expels you and deals you 5d6 points of damage. Stone shape deals 3d6 points of damage but does not expel you. Transmute rock to mud expels you and then slays you instantly unless you make a DC 18 Fortitude save, in which case you are merely expelled. Finally, passwall expels you without damage.

I cited the spell to get a good idea of the interactions with earth glide.

An earth gliding earth elemental can attack the caster?
The spell in no way sais that it is not possible to attack the caster. Most attacks are blocked by the lack of a line of sight and of a line of effect, but if you have an attack that bypass those limitations, the caster can be attacked.
A gliding earth elemental has a line of effect, it hasn't a line of sight (Earth elementals don't have blindsight), so it can attack, but it has a 50% miss chance.

Is the spellcaster helpless?
The spell doesn't address that, but, as the spellcastr can cast spells that target himself, I would say he isn't helpless.

The spellcaster has other disadvantages?
Barring special sensory abilities, he can't see anything, so he can't cast most spells and suffer all the consequences of being effectively blind.
He is surrounded by stone, so he is unable to draw a Line of Effect to any target, and that stops most spells and abilities.
Again, he is surrounded by stone, so he can't physically attack.

Can an elemental bull rush someone out of the stone?
Nothing in the spell says that it can't be done, but "You cannot bull rush a creature into a square that is occupied by a solid object or obstacle.", so the only direction available is outside the stone.
A reposition combat maneuver will have the same limitation.
In both instances, the elemental will suffer a 50% miss chance as it can't see its target.


Diego Rossi wrote:
Mel into stone wrote:

Meld into stone enables you to meld your body and possessions into a single block of stone. The stone must be large enough to accommodate your body in all three dimensions. When the casting is complete, you and not more than 100 pounds of nonliving gear merge with the stone. If either condition is violated, the spell fails and is wasted.

While in the stone, you remain in contact, however tenuous, with the face of the stone through which you melded. You remain aware of the passage of time and can cast spells on yourself while hiding in the stone. Nothing that goes on outside the stone can be seen, but you can still hear what happens around you. Minor physical damage to the stone does not harm you, but its partial destruction (to the extent that you no longer fit within it) expels you and deals you 5d6 points of damage. The stone's complete destruction expels you and slays you instantly unless you make a DC 18 Fortitude save. Even if you make your save, you still take 5d6 points of damage.

Any time before the duration expires, you can step out of the stone through the surface that you entered. If the spell's duration expires or the effect is dispelled before you voluntarily exit the stone, you are violently expelled and take 5d6 points of damage.

The following spells harm you if cast upon the stone that you are occupying. Stone to flesh expels you and deals you 5d6 points of damage. Stone shape deals 3d6 points of damage but does not expel you. Transmute rock to mud expels you and then slays you instantly unless you make a DC 18 Fortitude save, in which case you are merely expelled. Finally, passwall expels you without damage.

I cited the spell to get a good idea of the interactions with earth glide.

An earth gliding earth elemental can attack the caster?
The spell in no way sais that it is not possible to attack the caster. Most attacks are blocked by the lack of a line of sight and of a line of effect, but if you have an attack that bypass those...

Awesome analysis! Didn't realize that elemental can't see while burrowing.


While burrowing, Earth Elementals depend on their tremorsense (so would be able to pinpoint the wizard, but still suffer from the miss chance)

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