Problems with being non-humaniod


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I'm playing the War for the Crown AP, and for better or worse I started the campaign as an Aasimar shaman. Two of the party ended up dying recently, and the party decided to reincarnated us. The other player got reincarnated as a human, I however got reincarnated as a Wyvaran. Being an Aasimar was not great for the campaign but with Scion of humanity it was manageable. Being a Wyvaran is infinitely worse as it's clear he's not human and it's intrigue campaign in a mostly human area. So I looking for ideas on how to either a) hide the fact that I'm a Wyvaran, or b) get permanently changed into some other race that would fit better in the campaign.

I do have a hat of disguise, and can cast shaman spells to hide but was wondering if there are other options, items, suggestions on how to better fit into a human-centric society.

Thanks.


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Get a hat--er, you have that covered. But even a mundane Disguise check can be enough with sufficient care and skill. I'd expect the DC to be quite high, though, and the disguise to involve a very voluminous hooded robe and maybe some rope for binding one's tail. You've already got alter self on your list as well, so you're in better shape than most.

Alternatively, accept your otherness or even turn it into an asset. Being a wyvaran makes you recognizable and memorable, so all you need is to associate that brand with something positive. Make sure everybody knows that when you're in a bind and the law can't help you, Bob the "Dragon" can get the job done.


The Hat of Disguise won't help much as it doesn't allow you to change your creature type. (Wyvarans are "Dragon".)

Accept your awesome new form, realize you won't be able to pretend to be someone else and that everyone will remember you, but like Blaphers said, make yourself a useful asset to them.
Or, you know, serve as a distraction while the others in your group are getting up to sneaky shenanigans.


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Except the characters playing as nobles and while I can say that I've been reincarnated and it's not my fault.. I'm fine being a wyvaran, and don't mind embracing it. However, the GM (who created this mess) is warning that it will be an issue. I'm thinking maybe a custom magic item that can do alter self with a long durations or something like that.


Like..a Greater Hat of Disguise?

A scroll of Polymorph Any Object might be more economical tho.


Agodeshalf wrote:
Except the characters playing as nobles and while I can say that I've been reincarnated and it's not my fault.. I'm fine being a wyvaran, and don't mind embracing it. However, the GM (who created this mess) is warning that it will be an issue. I'm thinking maybe a custom magic item that can do alter self with a long durations or something like that.

That'd be a greater hat of disguise, then. Having to reactivate it every three minutes is a bit of a pain, of course, but the GM may handwave that.


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One idea would be to become suicidally brave. Then one of two things will happen:

1) You get killed and reincarnated again. Assuming that your party is using the tables in Inner Sea Races, the odds are strongly in favor of you coming back as one of the core races.

2) You survive and develop a heroic reputation. That reputation should counteract any negative reactions that people have to your appearance. Once you have that heroic reputation, you can dial back the bravery a bit and continue normally.


Wyvarans are a 17RP race, with 10 of that solely due to being "Type: Dragon".

-- Here's what dragons get:

* d12 Hit Die.
* Base attack bonus equal to total Hit Dice (fast progression).
* Good Fortitude, Reflex, and Will Saves.
* Darkvision 60 feet and low-light vision.
* Immunity to magic sleep effects and paralysis effects.
* Skill points equal to 6 + Int modifier (minimum 1) per Hit Die. The following are class skills for dragons: Appraise, Bluff, Climb, Craft, Diplomacy, Fly, Heal, Intimidate, Knowledge (all), Linguistics, Perception, Sense Motive, Spellcraft, Stealth, Survival, Swim, and Use Magic Device.


Slim Jim wrote:

Wyvarans are a 17RP race, with 10 of that solely due to being "Type: Dragon".

-- Here's what dragons get:

* d12 Hit Die.
* Base attack bonus equal to total Hit Dice (fast progression).
* Good Fortitude, Reflex, and Will Saves.
* Darkvision 60 feet and low-light vision.
* Immunity to magic sleep effects and paralysis effects.
* Skill points equal to 6 + Int modifier (minimum 1) per Hit Die. The following are class skills for dragons: Appraise, Bluff, Climb, Craft, Diplomacy, Fly, Heal, Intimidate, Knowledge (all), Linguistics, Perception, Sense Motive, Spellcraft, Stealth, Survival, Swim, and Use Magic Device.

err So what are saying?

With the exception of Darkvision, Low-Light Vision, and the Immunity the rest only applies to Racial Hit Dice...which the Aasimar has 0 of.


You mean Wyvaran I assume. Big advantage of the dragon type is that if you get reincarnated, you turn into a different dragon, which commonly have tons of racial HD etc. where humanoids can only turn into other humanoids (which is an awkward point in this thread).


Considering they got reincarnated from a native-outsider-who's-also-kinda-humanoid into a wyvaran in the first place, I wouldn't assume too much about what sort of cheese is available if they reincarnate again. That's all in the GM's hands.


Warped Savant wrote:

The Hat of Disguise won't help much as it doesn't allow you to change your creature type. (Wyvarans are "Dragon".)

So you're saying that it will allow him to appear to be a Gold Dragon, powerful ally and wise council to noble So-and-So?


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I did ask about that. My GM doesn't subscribe to the idea that reincarnation preserves the creature type. As seen by the Aasimar -> Wyvaran :) I like the idea of posing as a gold dragon but I'm not sure if that is really in scope of disguise self spell from the hat. I have a feeling that a scroll of polymorph any object might be a cost effective solution. If I go back to Aasimar, other than prohibiting me from using polymorph on myself, it might work ok.


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So what sort of tables does he use? I was assuming that he used the tables in Inner Sea Races and you got an unlikely roll.

If he is using a radically different table that makes humanoid results unlikely, that might alter the advice I gave earlier.


David knott 242 wrote:

So what sort of tables does he use? I was assuming that he used the tables in Inner Sea Races and you got an unlikely roll.

If he is using a radically different table that makes humanoid results unlikely, that might alter the advice I gave earlier.

The second table here

This is also the table my group uses, and we had our gnome barbarian reincarnate as a wyvaran.


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So that table gives you about a 50% chance of coming back as a member of a core race, with most of the remaining races being on the weird side. The odds of coming back as a core race are much better for the Core Rulebook and Inner Sea Races tables.


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That is indeed the table he used. I think Polymorph any Object with a +9 on the table to make it permanent is probably the simplest solution. Just will need to stay away from dispel magic and polymorph effects.


Worst case:

Quote:
A wish or a miracle spell can restore a reincarnated character to his or her original form.

Taldor (Not to mention Absalom, which is within teleportation distance) is big enough to find someone who will fix you for 26,530 GP. If you find some Cleric capable and willing to cast Miracle for you (Which RAW is equally easy but much less likely with any sense put into it), it's much cheaper.

A longshot possibility is the spell False Face. If you cast it before you were reincarnated you can use it to take an Aasimar form.


Funny thing, posing as an actual dragon is about the only thing a wyvaran can do with a hat of disguise RAW. Using it to pose as a humanoid is more reasonable but technically out of scope.


Yet another case of PF's change to that spell from the 3.5 version being bizare.


Anyone have a link to the ISR table?

I made a home brew table for Native Outsider here.

Remember, Disguise Self gives a +10 bonus on the Disguise check.
ALso, Vocal Alteration gives a +10 bonus on the Disguise check [but only on a humanoid].

The magic item False Face is only 1,600 gp, you instantly assumes the appearance of single specific Small or Medium humanoid creature. It works as Disguise Self. You could have the "face" be your old face, or a generic human's.

/cevah


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Disguise Self really doesn't work (RAW) as it can't change creature type. Alter self looks like it can. One question I have is when the Polymorpth Any Object says permanent, it it really permanent or can it be dispelled? Does it interfere with other polymorph effects? And does it really change you to the type of creature or is it just sort of just a looking like the creature or really the creature?

What I'm thinking is that I could in principle use PAO to change into a silver dragon, and then use the shape change ability of the silver dragon to be humanoid. But I suspect that the bottom line is that PAO doesn't really make you the creature but just gives you something like the Form of Dragon spell, and makes you look like one not really one. Not that my GM will let me do that...not sure there would be any GM that would let someone actually play a dragon :(


Polymorph any Object follows Pathfinder polymorph rules, which are essentially “polymorph spells only change your appearance, size, and natural attacks unless otherwise specified”, with most polymorph spells specifically adding other stuff.

But in answer to your question, you wouldn’t get shape change. What you could do was turn into someone that looked like a normal humanoid, probably permanently. And yes, “permanent” in pathfinder is dispellable, and probably does not allow any further polymorph effects without being dispelled as well.


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Cevah wrote:
Anyone have a link to the ISR table?

I don't have access to the Archives of Nethys site (aonprd.com) at the moment, but I do recall that it gives both the Core Rulebook table and the Inner Sea Races table in its description of the Reincarnate spell.


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As mentioned, the Archive of Nethys site gives both tables:

Reincarnation Spell

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