Slamy Mcbiteo |
Here is the ability....
Spring upon Prey Reaction Trigger A creature touches the web lurker’s web while the web lurker is on it. Requirement Initiative has not yet been rolled. Effect The web lurker automatically notices the creature and Strides or Climbs before rolling initiative.
So if understand this right, if the player touches the web before initiative is rolled it would get to Stride or Climb 25 feet...It seems weird since the players use perception for initiative. Should the players get perception first?
Also does web lurker get an attack? it is not listed as an attack like the hunting spider so I am thinking not
Spring Upon Prey Reaction (attack); Requirement Initiative has not yet been rolled. Trigger A creature touches the hunting spider’s web while the spider is on it. Effect The hunting spider automatically notices the creature and Strides, Climbs, or Descends on a Web before it rolls initiative.
I am thinking if you have both Web Lurkers and Hunting spiders in an encounter...as soon as the pc touches the web..the Hunting Spiders would stride, climb or descend and then attack. The web lurker would just get to stride or climb but no attack. Then we would roll initiative.
Does that make sense?
Castilliano |
It seems the intentions are the same in both abilities, for these guys to come out of hiding and immediately threaten the party. Oddly, it's not that great of an ability except I suppose if they have a lot of distance to close like from a really high ceiling or sprawling cavern.
Even though the Hunting Spider lists it as an attack action, this seems an error because there's no actual attack within it. The ability does not grant a Strike nor any replacement ability that uses an attack roll.
It wouldn't even change MAP, since that'd reset once the creature gets a turn.
I suspect it needs errata. Given its name "Spring Upon Prey", it very well seems there should be a Strike or perhaps a Grapple. Given the Web Lurker's ability's lack of an attack trait, there's also a chance Paizo scaled back both as too powerful for a Reaction: a move & an unsuspected attack is pretty potent to begin a battle with, especially if the creature(s) also win(s) initiative!
Slamy Mcbiteo |
It seems the intentions are the same in both abilities, for these guys to come out of hiding and immediately threaten the party. Oddly, it's not that great of an ability except I suppose if they have a lot of distance to close like from a really high ceiling or sprawling cavern.
Even though the Hunting Spider lists it as an attack action, this seems an error because there's no actual attack within it. The ability does not grant a Strike nor any replacement ability that uses an attack roll.
It wouldn't even change MAP, since that'd reset once the creature gets a turn.I suspect it needs errata. Given its name "Spring Upon Prey", it very well seems there should be a Strike or perhaps a Grapple. Given the Web Lurker's ability's lack of an attack trait, there's also a chance Paizo scaled back both as too powerful for a Reaction: a move & an unsuspected attack is pretty potent to begin a battle with, especially if the creature(s) also win(s) initiative!
It seems weird with the initiative being perception based? Would the party get a perception roll if they were searching? I am thinking not but not sure.
If you were to roll infinitive those in the party whose perception scores beat there stealth of the spider or web lurker would be alerted to the pending attack which seems to what they wanted to avoid. This seems like there is no way to alert the party of anything accept a giant spider or wen lurker flying at them...Maybe that is the purpose?