Rain of Embers Stance seems weird


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Is it me or does the feat "Rain of Embers Stance" make no sense in regards to the traits of the attacks.According to the Feat "The only Strikes you can make are fire talon Strikes. These deal 1d4 fire damage; are in the brawling group; and have the agile, finesse, fire, nonlethal, and unarmed traits."
I get it that Monks are supposed to be able to choose whether they do non-lethal or lethal attacks with their unarmed attacks and that normally those would be non-lethal by default. However, the Fire Talon Strikes deals FIRE damage! How in the Nine Hells could that in ANY possible manner be non-lethal? Do you choose to make it "kinda warm but not too hot"? IMO, the non-lethal trait should be removed. Unless I am missing something.
EDIT: btw, the feat is from Pathfinder Society Quest #2: Unforgiving Fire


Maybe flavor it as the Phoenix’s flames allow more control of the damage?


Quick touches with the Fire Talons: Target becomes hot and at some points passes out like from being in the sun for too long.
Strong scratches with Fire Talons: You really hurt and burn the target.
Maybe?


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A torch can be used as an improvised weapon to do 1d4 bludgeoning plus 1 fire damage. AFAICT nothing exempts it from the general rule that you can do nonlethal damage with a normally lethal weapon by accepting a -2 to your attack roll. Sooo... nonlethal fire damage isn't really a thing about this stance, it's a thing about the core lethal/nonlethal rules.


there's precedent for it, in starfinder, you took non-lethal fire damage from a hot environment...


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The talon attacks cauterize the wounds you inflict, thereby stabilizing a downed enemy which is why the attacks are nonlethal. At least that's what I just made up. :^)


masda_gib wrote:

Quick touches with the Fire Talons: Target becomes hot and at some points passes out like from being in the sun for too long.

Strong scratches with Fire Talons: You really hurt and burn the target.
Maybe?

hahaha, this has me thinking of Monk Spa and Tanning Saloons now! "Come one! Come All! To Golarion's best Tanning Saloon "The Rising Phoenix"! Perfect Body Tanning guaranteed or your money back!*"

*non-living, elemental, and other non-humanoid entities excluded.

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