Question about Phantom Blade's Spell Combat


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I know that the Spellstrike of the Phantom Blade can be done ONLY with his phantom weapon. But Spellcombat? Can I use it with another weapon? In the description it say that I can use it exactly like the power of the Magus, and only Spellstrike has the exception with the phantom weapon. After all to use Spellcombat i need to have a free hand.


Nothing requires that you use spell combat with your phantom weapon.


baggageboy wrote:
Nothing requires that you use spell combat with your phantom weapon.

So can i use spell combat with a normal one-hand melee weapon?


Yes, but you won't be able spellstrike with it unless you get spellstrike from some other source (like the magus VMC) so no free weapon attack to deliver a touch spell.


baggageboy wrote:
Yes, but you won't be able spellstrike with it unless you get spellstrike from some other source (like the magus VMC) so no free weapon attack to deliver a touch spell.

It's ok, i asked this for a multiclass build.

Thanks!


Aranel2000 wrote:
baggageboy wrote:
Yes, but you won't be able spellstrike with it unless you get spellstrike from some other source (like the magus VMC) so no free weapon attack to deliver a touch spell.

It's ok, i asked this for a multiclass build.

Thanks!

Keep in mind then that you can only use spell combat with spiritualist spell slots unless you get the appropriate magus arcana to allow spell combat with other slots, which can only be gotten through the magus vms as far as I know. Even then it's debatable if that would work.


baggageboy wrote:
Aranel2000 wrote:
baggageboy wrote:
Yes, but you won't be able spellstrike with it unless you get spellstrike from some other source (like the magus VMC) so no free weapon attack to deliver a touch spell.

It's ok, i asked this for a multiclass build.

Thanks!
Keep in mind then that you can only use spell combat with spiritualist spell slots unless you get the appropriate magus arcana to allow spell combat with other slots, which can only be gotten through the magus vms as far as I know. Even then it's debatable if that would work.

Well, this Spell Combat is the same of the Magus, so by default it should work.


I don't know what you are planning on doing so I can't sayif it will work or not, but you can't use spell combat with slots from another list unless you have braid study. That is true for both the magus and phantom blade

If you explain what you are trying to do you'll get better information about whether it is ok by the rules or will require a GM's exception.


baggageboy wrote:

I don't know what you are planning on doing so I can't sayif it will work or not, but you can't use spell combat with slots from another list unless you have braid study. That is true for both the magus and phantom blade

If you explain what you are trying to do you'll get better information about whether it is ok by the rules or will require a GM's exception.

An Eldritch Knight build.

I will use one level of Phantom Blade to get Spell Combat and the VMC Magus to take Spell Strike and the Arcana Broad Study for the spells.

My idea is 1 Panthom Blade/8 Blade Adept Arcanist/1 Fighter/10 EK/VMC Magus (yes we will combine the two tipe of multiclass, in the book they say that normaly it's best to do separatly, but they can also be combined and the DM it's ok with it).

We will use the mythic rules, so for the spell failure i will take freedom from component (somatic) from the Archmage path. With feats like Prestigius Spellcaster and the trait Magical Knack i will have a level 20 caster level.

We will use also the Pathfinder Unchained rules for saves and BAB for a total of 12/6/12, +15 BAB, 9 level of spell (only one ore two of 9 i know), and 20 caster level with a full Black Blade thanks to the Exploit Eldritch Blade. With the mythic spell Transformation i will have also a +20 BAB without lose my capacity to use spells.

We will begin at level 11 so i will not risk to die early, because i know that this build would be to risky to do at a low level.

I know that many would prefer Wizard over Arcanist and no level Fighter, but i prefer this way.

I think that this build could be a "better Magus" (but not for the bonus spell, in that the Magus wins thanks to Improved Spell Recal), but it's not something that can be done normaly. Like i said the credits go to Pathfinder Unchained and Mythic Adventures.


I'm not sure if you can have a phantom weapon and a black blade technically. It's kind of a grey area as the phantom blade archetype was written a bit fast and loose. That is not to say it's bad, it's one of my favorite archetypes, but it does leave a lot to interpretation. If your GM is ok with that and combining the spell combat from phantom blade and spell strike from vmc magus then you should be good.

Have you looked at the blade adept only exploits? There's a few that will probably be very useful in this build.


baggageboy wrote:

I'm not sure if you can have a phantom weapon and a black blade technically. It's kind of a grey area as the phantom blade archetype was written a bit fast and loose. That is not to say it's bad, it's one of my favorite archetypes, but it does leave a lot to interpretation. If your GM is ok with that and combining the spell combat from phantom blade and spell strike from vmc magus then you should be good.

Have you looked at the blade adept only exploits? There's a few that will probably be very useful in this build.

Well, one doesn't negates the other. In the books there is nothing that say that I can't have both. Which exploits?


It has to do with them both being "black blades" it's murky interaction that comes from phantom blade saying the phantom weapon functions as a black blade except as noted. Lot's of room for interpretation.

As far as exploits to look at Eldritch Blade and Spell Strike are the two biggest ones. You may dodge taking the vmc magus that way and save a couple feats (though it might still be better to take the vmc magus).


baggageboy wrote:

It has to do with them both being "black blades" it's murky interaction that comes from phantom blade saying the phantom weapon functions as a black blade except as noted. Lot's of room for interpretation.

As far as exploits to look at Eldritch Blade and Spell Strike are the two biggest ones. You may dodge taking the vmc magus that way and save a couple feats (though it might still be better to take the vmc magus).

I need only the Arcanist Black Blade,so I will never use the other. Yes, it's best to have the VMC Magus for the Broad Study Arcana.

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