paizo.com Recent Posts in Cleric Necromancer spellspaizo.com Recent Posts in Cleric Necromancer spells2019-10-14T06:02:50Z2019-10-14T06:02:50ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsjdripleyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#152019-11-21T18:14:58Z2019-11-15T02:11:47Z<p>Not a big deal to rip the Animal Companion feat chain from Druid or Ranger and repaint it as undead, then graft that whole thing into whatever class you want to be the necromancer.</p>
<p>Would only work with a home campaign and with amenable GM and fellow players of course.</p>Not a big deal to rip the Animal Companion feat chain from Druid or Ranger and repaint it as undead, then graft that whole thing into whatever class you want to be the necromancer.
Would only work with a home campaign and with amenable GM and fellow players of course.jdripley2019-11-15T02:11:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsBellyBeardhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#142019-11-13T23:08:35Z2019-11-13T23:08:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Atalius wrote:</div><blockquote> So basically there's no way to be a necromancer controlling undead, and hence Urgathoas advanced domain power (Undeath) is useless. :( </blockquote><p>There's the ritual create undead which let's you make undead minions if they're weak enough. And you can also have undead you are allied with that aren't your mindless minions. Pretty far from useless for a necromancer. Just not useful for your typical adventurer.Atalius wrote:So basically there's no way to be a necromancer controlling undead, and hence Urgathoas advanced domain power (Undeath) is useless. :(
There's the ritual create undead which let's you make undead minions if they're weak enough. And you can also have undead you are allied with that aren't your mindless minions. Pretty far from useless for a necromancer. Just not useful for your typical adventurer.BellyBeard2019-11-13T23:08:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsAtaliushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#132019-11-13T07:13:10Z2019-11-13T07:13:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Ronyon wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Minions masters are my favorite.
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They also tend to be disruptive to play.
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At a minimum there should be an undead equvalant to an animal companion or familiar.
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One pet, kinda customizible.
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But there seems to be a bias against evil player characters in pf2,so I would not expect to see such options.</p>
<p>In fairness, this is a pendulum swing.
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It used to be that clerics could be the best necromancers almost by accident.
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Having an small unit if undead involved a minor investment at most.
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</blockquote><p>Great idea!The Ronyon wrote:Minions masters are my favorite.
They also tend to be disruptive to play.
At a minimum there should be an undead equvalant to an animal companion or familiar.
One pet, kinda customizible.
But there seems to be a bias against evil player characters in pf2,so I would not expect to see such options.In fairness, this is a pendulum swing.
It used to be that clerics could be the best necromancers almost by accident.
Having an small unit if undead involved a minor investment at
...Atalius2019-11-13T07:13:10ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsThe Ronyonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#122019-11-13T07:12:32Z2019-11-09T19:17:42Z<p>Minions masters are my favorite.
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They also tend to be disruptive to play.
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At a minimum there should be an undead equvalant to an animal companion or familiar.
<br />
One pet, kinda customizible.
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But there seems to be a bias against evil player characters in pf2,so I would not expect to see such options.</p>
<p>In fairness, this is a pendulum swing.
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It used to be that clerics could be the best necromancers almost by accident.
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Having an small unit if undead involved a minor investment at most.</p>Minions masters are my favorite.
They also tend to be disruptive to play.
At a minimum there should be an undead equvalant to an animal companion or familiar.
One pet, kinda customizible.
But there seems to be a bias against evil player characters in pf2,so I would not expect to see such options.
In fairness, this is a pendulum swing.
It used to be that clerics could be the best necromancers almost by accident.
Having an small unit if undead involved a minor investment at most.The Ronyon2019-11-09T19:17:42ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsHammerJackhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#112019-11-09T22:35:10Z2019-11-09T15:55:54Z<p>There's no convenient, common way. That's not quite the same as there being no way. It's something to file under talking to the GM in session 0.</p>There's no convenient, common way. That's not quite the same as there being no way. It's something to file under talking to the GM in session 0.HammerJack2019-11-09T15:55:54ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsAtaliushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#102019-11-09T07:07:01Z2019-11-09T07:07:01Z<p>So basically there's no way to be a necromancer controlling undead, and hence Urgathoas advanced domain power (Undeath) is useless. :(</p>So basically there's no way to be a necromancer controlling undead, and hence Urgathoas advanced domain power (Undeath) is useless. :(Atalius2019-11-09T07:07:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsLuke Styer (alias of lstyer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#92019-11-09T06:24:45Z2019-11-09T06:24:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">HammerJack wrote:</div><blockquote>If you inflict ghoul fever on something, either you or they flee, and the disease kills them, then they become a ghoul. That ghoul is not a minion under your control.</blockquote><p>It’s statements like this that make me wish we had a Commoner stat block so I could figure out statistically how much trouble a third level CE Cleric could cause with that spell. Narratively, I know the answer is “A bunch.” But I have a ghoulish craving for numbers.HammerJack wrote:If you inflict ghoul fever on something, either you or they flee, and the disease kills them, then they become a ghoul. That ghoul is not a minion under your control.
It’s statements like this that make me wish we had a Commoner stat block so I could figure out statistically how much trouble a third level CE Cleric could cause with that spell. Narratively, I know the answer is “A bunch.” But I have a ghoulish craving for numbers.Luke Styer (alias of lstyer)2019-11-09T06:24:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsThe Ronyonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#82019-11-09T06:14:05Z2019-11-09T06:14:05Z<p>First you waylay a target,then you bind and or cage them,lastly you cast Ghoulish Cravings on them.
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Now you can control their decent into unseat.
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However Ghouls are not mindless, so you cannot uses Bind Undead on them.
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You could perhaps Inveigle them, but if your going to do that,maybe Ghoulish Cravings and necromancy entirely and just be a controller of the living? </p>
<p>If you really like the undead theme,using the Animate Object Ritual on a corpse or skeleton should be safer, simpler,and,less evil and less messy than than the Create Undead ritual.
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Craft:Taxidermy FTW!</p>First you waylay a target,then you bind and or cage them,lastly you cast Ghoulish Cravings on them.
Now you can control their decent into unseat.
However Ghouls are not mindless, so you cannot uses Bind Undead on them.
You could perhaps Inveigle them, but if your going to do that,maybe Ghoulish Cravings and necromancy entirely and just be a controller of the living?
If you really like the undead theme,using the Animate Object Ritual on a corpse or skeleton should be safer, simpler,and,less...The Ronyon2019-11-09T06:14:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsKioshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#72019-11-06T19:32:34Z2019-11-06T19:32:34Z<p>After you make an undead with Ghoulish Cravings, you can use Bind Undead each morning to make it a permanent-ish minion.</p>
<p>Or learn the ritual to make undead and have four undead minions at all times (though you could only reliably control one if you want to cast)</p>
<p>Vampire Exsanguination doesn't effect undead, so you could shoot from behind a wall of them. That seems useful.</p>
<p>I wonder if intelligent undead can become expert in religion/occult/arcana? You could potentially have four intelligent undead minions each with their own minions.</p>
<p>Are necromancers better off being bards? They get all the cool necromancy spells plus a better overall spell list. Plus, they can use one action to maintain group buffs while using the other two actions to gain four actions from their minions.</p>After you make an undead with Ghoulish Cravings, you can use Bind Undead each morning to make it a permanent-ish minion.
Or learn the ritual to make undead and have four undead minions at all times (though you could only reliably control one if you want to cast)
Vampire Exsanguination doesn't effect undead, so you could shoot from behind a wall of them. That seems useful.
I wonder if intelligent undead can become expert in religion/occult/arcana? You could potentially have four intelligent...Kios2019-11-06T19:32:34ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsHammerJackhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#62019-11-13T13:46:51Z2019-11-06T06:47:26Z<p>If you inflict the ghoul fever and then kill the target, no undeath happens. If you inflict ghoul fever on something, either you or they flee, and the disease kills them, then they become a ghoul. That ghoul is not a minion under your control.</p>
<p>So it is a method of creating undead, as stated, but not a method of creating undead minions.</p>If you inflict the ghoul fever and then kill the target, no undeath happens. If you inflict ghoul fever on something, either you or they flee, and the disease kills them, then they become a ghoul. That ghoul is not a minion under your control.
So it is a method of creating undead, as stated, but not a method of creating undead minions.HammerJack2019-11-06T06:47:26ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsAtaliushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#52019-11-06T06:18:56Z2019-11-06T06:18:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Ronyon wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Ghoulish Cravings.
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Easiest way to make undead. </blockquote><p>Hmm interesting what do you mean? I love the idea of a Necromancer controlling the undead but how would this happen? Say enemy fails their save, then a couple rounds later he dies due to the rest of the party beating on him. At which point and how does the creature become your undead minion?The Ronyon wrote:Ghoulish Cravings.
Easiest way to make undead.
Hmm interesting what do you mean? I love the idea of a Necromancer controlling the undead but how would this happen? Say enemy fails their save, then a couple rounds later he dies due to the rest of the party beating on him. At which point and how does the creature become your undead minion?Atalius2019-11-06T06:18:56ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsThe Ronyonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#42019-11-13T13:46:37Z2019-11-05T11:25:59Z<p>Ghoulish Cravings.
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Easiest way to make undead.</p>Ghoulish Cravings.
Easiest way to make undead.The Ronyon2019-11-05T11:25:59ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsAtaliushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#32019-10-14T06:32:05Z2019-10-14T06:32:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Blave wrote:</div><blockquote><p> What kind of necromancer? The evil, spooky kind?</p>
<p>If so, those would be my picks (in no particular order):</p>
<p>Blindness
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Vampiric exsanguinationH
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Eclipse BurstH
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Massacre
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Spirit blastH
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Finger of deathH
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Wail of the banshee
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HarmH
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Ray of enfeeblement
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Vampiric touchH </blockquote><p>Sweet! Ya evil spooky kind for the win! We have much to discuss!Blave wrote:What kind of necromancer? The evil, spooky kind?
If so, those would be my picks (in no particular order):
Blindness
Vampiric exsanguinationH
Eclipse BurstH
Massacre
Spirit blastH
Finger of deathH
Wail of the banshee
HarmH
Ray of enfeeblement
Vampiric touchH
Sweet! Ya evil spooky kind for the win! We have much to discuss!Atalius2019-10-14T06:32:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsBlavehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#22019-11-13T13:46:18Z2019-10-14T06:24:37Z<p>What kind of necromancer? The evil, spooky kind?</p>
<p>If so, those would be my picks (in no particular order):</p>
<p>Blindness
<br />
Vampiric exsanguinationH
<br />
Eclipse BurstH
<br />
Massacre
<br />
Spirit blastH
<br />
Finger of deathH
<br />
Wail of the banshee
<br />
HarmH
<br />
Ray of enfeeblement
<br />
Vampiric touchH</p>What kind of necromancer? The evil, spooky kind?
If so, those would be my picks (in no particular order):
Blindness
Vampiric exsanguinationH
Eclipse BurstH
Massacre
Spirit blastH
Finger of deathH
Wail of the banshee
HarmH
Ray of enfeeblement
Vampiric touchHBlave2019-10-14T06:24:37ZForums: Advice: Cleric Necromancer spellsAtaliushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42syo?Cleric-Necromancer-spells#12019-10-14T06:02:51Z2019-10-14T06:02:51Z<p>Just wondering which spells on the Divine list are best for Cleric Necromancers?</p>Just wondering which spells on the Divine list are best for Cleric Necromancers?Atalius2019-10-14T06:02:51Z