Printed in China


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Silver Crusade

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Considering the recent events in Hong Kong, the intimidation tactics used by Chinese government against business (NBA, Blizzard) and the well known general track record for trampling human rights, as with the Uygur minority recently, is continuing to print your products in PRC truly reflective of a company which has, to much well-deserved praise, stood insofar for several universal values of inclusivity, employee rights, tolerance and non-discrimination?

I'm fully aware of the fact that moving printing out of the People's Republic of China towards some more exotic place such as the eastern marches of the Godless United Communist Ripubliks of Yurp would likely result in the printed matter getting more expensive. I'd be more than happy to pony up the price hike. I've insofar enjoyed the fact that throwing my money at Paizo helps a business that treats employees fairly and eschews many idiotic policies (excuse me, sound capitalist practices) the American entrepreneurship is famous for, the "printed in China" issue sticks out.

These days I believe we can safely discard the whole "well at least it makes Chinese people richer and if they'll get richer they'll inevitably go democratic and abolish their authoritarian government" argument, as it's plain to see that it's not happening.


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If Paizo books were printed in Europe, maybe there could one day even be a possibility of not having to ship them across the Atlantic twice...


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I don't generally agree with talking bag...but this once I do...


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I have seen 2 or 3 Paizo books printed in Canada, I don't know if it's possible to do it on a regular basis and don't know the financial of that… I'm sure it's not as cheap than printing in China... but don't know by how much.

A bonus of printing in North America, as the books transit in Paizo warehouse, is that they don't cross half the planet before being shipped again to customers. So probably less shiping polution.

Paizo Employee

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DanyRay wrote:

I have seen 2 or 3 Paizo books printed in Canada, I don't know if it's possible to do it on a regular basis and don't know the financial of that… I'm sure it's not as cheap than printing in China... but don't know by how much.

A bonus of printing in North America, as the books transit in Paizo warehouse, is that they don't cross half the planet before being shipped again to customers. So probably less shiping polution.

Unfortunately, the Canadian printers are both significantly more expensive and they don't have the capacity to handle Paizo's standard print runs (they're used primarily for fast turnarounds on products printed in more limited quantities). It would likely require another country or large corporation putting significant investment into printing infrastructure at a point in human history where print publishing is on a distinct downward slope to make moving printing somewhere other than China feasible.

Given that right now Paizo has lowered the overall cost per page of their product lines to the consumer and is still being met with pretty vocal accusations of making their products unaffordable, it seems like it could be pretty questionable as to whether the company could use a different printer if they wanted to, though I expect they'd be as happy as anyone if there were a plausible alternative.


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The pain of higher costs may hit us whether or not Paizo moves production out of China. If the tariffs on Chinese goods apply to books, then cost of production will go up anyway.

At that point the cost-differential may become small enough that switching won't make much difference.

Grand Lodge

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I would very much like to see Paizo get some European printers if at all possible. I have a few books from that side of the pond but they aren't the style Paizo needs. Quality was fair for what they are.

Silver Crusade

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Games Workshop does quite a bit of its printing in Italy and Poland. But of course, they're (*checks* still) in EU and can benefit from freedom of goods and services eliminating a lot of costs and hassle.


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The playtest books were printed in the US.

Liberty's Edge

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The issue is really about the big hardcover books. Those are the ones that printers outside of China have such trouble competing with.

Plenty of printers can produce quality soft cover perfect bound or saddle-stitched books at competitive prices. Big full cover case bound hard covers is a different animal entirely.


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Silver Crusade

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I definitely understand the challenges of the current manufacturing environment, but I also would be willing to pony up to shift production somewhere else.

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I have removed some posts regarding American politics. That discussion is not welcome on paizo.com. (I am leaving the existing limited discussion of Chinese politics as it's relevant in this specific situation; this should not be construed as an invitation to talk about Chinese politics in general. There's a VERY fine line here, and posts that cross it will be deleted.)

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