Sling + shield?


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Can use use/reload a sling/hand bow whilst also using a shield?

Amy other way to get a decent range with a shield?


Reloading a ranged weapon requires a free hand, so you can reload when using a buckler but not the other types of shields.

Javelins can be a pretty decent ranged option to use with a shield, though.


Buckler I think is the only choice currently. Which is a shame. I think it would've been great design space for Slings to work with shields. Since its not really hard to do logistically


I was hoping for more range than a javelin.

What about Shuriken + shields?


Shuriken shield is of no issue. Shuriken itself specifies reload 0 thrown weapon.

So, 20ft range, str to damage, free hand needed to draw and throw. Can be used with any feats that I know of. (unlike say a thrown weapon using Quick Draw, which is a specific action rather than a free draw with use like reload 0)


Zwordsman wrote:
Buckler I think is the only choice currently. Which is a shame. I think it would've been great design space for Slings to work with shields. Since its not really hard to do logistically

PF1 had bucklers, light shields and heavy shields and you could do things with light shields but not with heavy shields.

So I like to think of PF2 bucklers as just bucklers + light shields, since they basically just folded them together and made heavy shields the normal shields.


Would the shield cantrip work with shield feats? Like shield warden or quick block?

Then I could stick with a bow.


I assume it would work. But do note that it can only block once per 10min or something along those lines.

but as far as I know, it should work fine for all those feats.
but I haven't gone and reread all that stuff, this is just from my memory

Though I suppose presumably you could snag Shield from several different schools to bypass that issue. One from a caster dedication thingy, one from runscarred, one from pathfinder agent's wayfinder.
There is probablysome efficient way of doing that, but you could presumably snag 2 types relatively easily.
and nothing I know of would prevent a different shield spell from being used.

Whether it is worth that much investment to have 2 shield uses in one 10min section is up to you though.

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Zwordsman wrote:
Buckler I think is the only choice currently. Which is a shame. I think it would've been great design space for Slings to work with shields. Since its not really hard to do logistically

Actually, I'd think loading a sling while wielding a shield would be a logistical nightmare: Remember, sling bullets/stones don't fit into convenient quivers, so you'll probably have to reach into a bag or pouch that is not so loose that it would easily spill your ammunition, which is kinda hard to do with a hand that is also holding a shield.

Offhand, I'd guess the best process for doing this would be:

    First, Transfer the sling to your shield hand, but choke up on it at the same time (Grab it closer to the 'cup' with your shield hand).
  • Next, draw a new bullet from your pouch using your main hand.
  • Next, load the bullet into the 'cup' of the sling, still using your main hand.
  • Then, you need to get the 'grip' end of the sling back into your main hand, which is probably dangling down from your shield hand without letting the bullet fall out (I'm not certain how susceptible sling bullets are to accidentally falling out, but I'm guessing wielding a shield in one of your hands is not going to help the situation).
  • Finally, you can attack with the sling.

I'm guessing that loading a sling this way would at least require additional actions for all the juggling you'd need to do.


Taja the Barbarian wrote:

Actually, I'd think loading a sling while wielding a shield would be a logistical nightmare: Remember, sling bullets/stones don't fit into convenient quivers, so you'll probably have to reach into a bag or pouch that is not so loose that it would easily spill your ammunition, which is kinda hard to do with a hand that is also holding a shield.

I absolutely don't sponsor the "use real world to talk about game world" stuff.

but Shadveristy on youtube, and several others in the shield/armour/medival weapon have done videos on shields + slings specifically. They're by no means trained physically for it, they're just history buffs and or weapon historians (depends on the channel) but they've fairly well done it.
They also cover the different variety of shields that can work with it.

Seemingly except a tower shield, it doesn't seem that odd in consideration to firing two arrows or throwing two shuriken etc.
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but that whole bit is a side divergence.

Buckler is the only valid choice rules wise currently. Which is to obad considering bucklers don't really have the same amount of upgrades item wise as the others I think


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Shield spell may work with shield feats if "Use the Raise Shield action" is the only parameter, since the spell specifically says it counts as having done that. You don't have a shield in hand though if that were necessary, though an argument could be made that you do have a shield. Too much gray area (and who wants to argue?), so I'd check with a GM or use other options if playing PFS.

Multiple sources of the Shield cantrip do not give you more blocks per 10 min. If you block, you cannot cast Shield for 10 min. That's a limit on you (not the spell itself) and those other sources are wasted since those are also the Shield spell.

Much like if a Fireball prevented you from casting another Fireball for x amount of time. It wouldn't matter where you sourced your other Fireballs from, you couldn't cast them.

That said, Shield is a great spell for people filling their hands with other items and if your PC is equally proficient w/ a bow, they definitely should prefer that to a sling if firing more than once/combat.


I don't think its worth trying to get shield twice in two different traditions. but I thought there was a line somewhere about different spell casting traditions-which use different slots and the like, are different sources. So you could cast the same thing from it and it wouldn't be the same source.

Just like how spell slots are for your class you got those slots from only. (such as an occult sorcer with a bard dedication. those bard spell slots can only be used with spells via that dedication). So they're not the same "spell" so I don't see why one spell would disrupt another spell. As it isnt the same source. (but this example isn't the same because the shield from occult list is the same occult shield. while I don' think shield from occult and shield from arcane are the same spell. )

Or did they FAQ/Clarify somewhere about that?

"after you use Shield Block, the spell ends and you can't cast it again for 10 minutes" because unlike other effects (such as double status effect issues) the shield spell references the spell being restricted. But its not the spell that was used, if its coming from another tradition

Edit
From learn a spell
"ou can gain access to a new spell of your tradition from someone who knows that spell or from magical writing like a spellbook or scroll. If you can cast spells of multiple traditions, you can Learn a Spell of any of those traditions, but you must use the corresponding skill to do so. For example, if you were a cleric with the bard multiclass archetype, you couldn’t use Religion to add an occult spell to your bardic spell repertoire."
So you can't learn the same spell from a different tradition user. It has to be a new spell of your tradition. Not the same named spell from a different tradition. So the game itself distiguishses traditions as different spells right?
Unnless I'm misunderstanding casting.
Which.. is so very possible.


Would a returning Javelin be considered a "reload 0" weapon? A lot of feats want that.

And is there any way to boost a Javelin/Shuriken range besides Ranger's Hunt Prey and Far Shot?


Mellored wrote:
Would a returning Javelin be considered a "reload 0" weapon? A lot of feats want that.

No, weapons with reload “—” must be drawn to be thrown: returning just remove the draw.

Mellored wrote:
And is there any way to boost a Javelin/Shuriken range besides Ranger's Hunt Prey and Far Shot?

Legendary shot lets you ignore 5 range increments.


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Most historical depictions of slingers show them without shields.

Those I was able to find that are equipped with shields appear to have small round shields (held only in hand) or crescent-shaped shields (stapped to their arms and held with a hand grip). We must surmise that they had enough freedom of movement with the shield hand to grab a bullet from the sack at their waist and load the slang, without ditching and retrieving the shield.

In PF2 you can do this with a buckler. But not with a wooden or steel shield, which correspond to a heavy shield in PF1.

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