Which deities began as mortals?


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I'm looking for a complete list of deities in the Pathfinder campaign setting that began their lives as mortals.

Can anyone help me out?


pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/deity#Ascended_deities


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Tender Tendrils wrote:
pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/deity#Ascended_deities

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That list doesn't seem complete.

Arazni (not sure if she still has divine power)
Aroden (probably Starstone-induced)
Nethys (achieved omniscience and through that divinity)
Milani (ascended from minor saint to full deity after Aroden died)
Iomedae
Cayden Cailean
Norgorber

Unity (ran simulations in which it was a god for so long that it became a god)
Hellion (invested with divine power)
Casandalee (invested with divine power, later absorbs Unity's power)


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Urgathoa?


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Tender Tendrils wrote:
Urgathoa?

Yup; first of the undead. Also don't forget Irori, the god of monks and being super smart and buff.

On the subject of gods of buffness, Kurgess, god of sportsmanship, also began as a mortal.


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Don't forget Zyphus, who refused Pharasma's judgment after an accidental death.


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Sun Wukong as well.


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And Irori is definitely missing from the list.


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Lao Shu Po too. Mortal rat who feasted on the flesh of a dead god and gained divinity.


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Hanspur as well. Was ritually drowned as a sacrifice to Corosbel, Gozreh intervened and preserved part of Hanspur's soul in his dire rat companion. After a week, Hanspur rose from the Sellen River as a demigod with a fractured soul. It is unknown if Gozreh intended to raise him as a divine being or as a mere guardian of the waterways.


For some reason I thought Pharasma was the last surviving mortal from a previous incarnation of reality, but I guess she could have been a goddess back then too.


I had thought Pharasma was like... old old deity from back in the day. I need to brush up on my Golarion lore again.


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Barnabas Eckleworth III wrote:
I had thought Pharasma was like... old old deity from back in the day. I need to brush up on my Golarion lore again.

She's the first sentient thing in this reality, because she came from the previous reality and survived its unmaking, basically.

She might have survived more than one unmakings, there's no reliable historical record on "previous realities".


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
Barnabas Eckleworth III wrote:
I had thought Pharasma was like... old old deity from back in the day. I need to brush up on my Golarion lore again.

She's the first sentient thing in this reality, because she came from the previous reality and survived its unmaking, basically.

She might have survived more than one unmakings, there's no reliable historical record on "previous realities".

When reality collapses, all the history books seem to go with it. Pity, that.


PossibleCabbage wrote:
Barnabas Eckleworth III wrote:
I had thought Pharasma was like... old old deity from back in the day. I need to brush up on my Golarion lore again.

She's the first sentient thing in this reality, because she came from the previous reality and survived its unmaking, basically.

She might have survived more than one unmakings, there's no reliable historical record on "previous realities".

[conspiracyjoke]Perhaps she was responsible for one or more of those unmakings ...[/conspiracyjoke]

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The Holiday Cultist wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
Barnabas Eckleworth III wrote:
I had thought Pharasma was like... old old deity from back in the day. I need to brush up on my Golarion lore again.

She's the first sentient thing in this reality, because she came from the previous reality and survived its unmaking, basically.

She might have survived more than one unmakings, there's no reliable historical record on "previous realities".

[conspiracyjoke]Perhaps she was responsible for one or more of those unmakings ...[/conspiracyjoke]

She's trying to make things work better this time. Which is still pretty compatible with being responsible for the previous failure, come to think of it.

"Gods ain't quitters"

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Do elevated outsiders that logically were mortal souls at one point count?

If yes, we can add Lamashtu, Sarenrae and maybe Asmodeus to the list.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
Barnabas Eckleworth III wrote:
I had thought Pharasma was like... old old deity from back in the day. I need to brush up on my Golarion lore again.

She's the first sentient thing in this reality, because she came from the previous reality and survived its unmaking, basically.

She might have survived more than one unmakings, there's no reliable historical record on "previous realities".

Interesting. Like the Twilight Pitri and Solar Pitri Manasaputras.

(And Galactus.)


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The Raven Black wrote:

Do elevated outsiders that logically were mortal souls at one point count?

If yes, we can add Lamashtu, Sarenrae and maybe Asmodeus to the list.

I don't think we can add Asmodeus. He and his brother are spelled out in the Book of the Damned (for what the Book of the Damned's word is worth) as being around pretty much before anything aside from Pherasma and the Monad.

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Perpdepog wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:

Do elevated outsiders that logically were mortal souls at one point count?

If yes, we can add Lamashtu, Sarenrae and maybe Asmodeus to the list.

I don't think we can add Asmodeus. He and his brother are spelled out in the Book of the Damned (for what the Book of the Damned's word is worth) as being around pretty much before anything aside from Pherasma and the Monad.

I don't think we can be definite about anything concerning the Prince of lies.


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Thanks everyone! There are a LOT more than I thought! So rather than pick up Lore in each of those deities, as I originally planned, I've opted to instead take "Ascension Lore" for my new character.

The Raven Black wrote:

Do elevated outsiders that logically were mortal souls at one point count?

If yes, we can add Lamashtu, Sarenrae and maybe Asmodeus to the list.

I was thinking of mortals from the material plane when I asked the question, but I suppose any form of deific ascension would be of interest to the Heart Collector.


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Razmir, of course. How could you not mention him yet, philistines? Our Voluntary Re-education Brigade will be with you shortly.


The Raven Black wrote:

Do elevated outsiders that logically were mortal souls at one point count?

If yes, we can add Lamashtu, Sarenrae and maybe Asmodeus to the list.

Sarenrae is a primordial angel created by other gods (before mortals existed), not one elevated from a mortal petitioner.


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HTD wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:

Do elevated outsiders that logically were mortal souls at one point count?

If yes, we can add Lamashtu, Sarenrae and maybe Asmodeus to the list.

Sarenrae is a primordial angel created by other gods (before mortals existed), not one elevated from a mortal petitioner.

This is basically true of most of the "outsider type" primary gods. They most likely started as bundles of aligned essence that accreted into divinities at the beginning of time.

Asmodeus (LE, Big Devil Energy)
Oinodaemon (NE, Daemon, he dead tho)
Rovagug (CE, Qlippoth)

Abadar (LN, Axiomite?)
Pharasma (N, Psychopomp)
Speaker of the Depths (CN, Protean)

???? (LG, Archon
Sarenrae (NG, Angel)
Desna (CG, Azata)

Most notably missing are the Archons and the Demons. The demons didn't exist at the beginning of time, so their deity, Lamashtu, worked her way up through the hierarchy and stole divinity. On the LG side, we have Apsu, Torag, and Erastil of the non ascended dieties, but none of them really screams "archon." Abadar is also kinda weak, as we don't know enough about his early history to say one way or another.


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Saleem Halabi wrote:
On the LG side, we have Apsu, Torag, and Erastil of the non ascended dieties, but none of them really screams "archon."

Erastil has a specific kind of Archon that is modeled after him. I'd say him being an ascended Archon is a reasonable possibility. That said, Desna is very much not an Azata, nor is Pharasma exactly a Psychopomp (she created them, but predates all these categories).

Expecting this kind of symmetry from the core 20 is probably a bad idea, though. They're only the core 20 Gods because they're the 20 most popular in a specific region, not because they have some cosmic significance beyond other Gods (a few, like Pharasma, do but not all by any means).

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All of the daemons began as mortal souls, and exist in their current state either directly descended from one mortal soul or more rarely an amalgamation.

I would specifically call out the Oinodaemon, Trelmarixian, and Szuriel as having been noted in print as starting as a single mortal soul or having a prior mortal life called out.

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