What spell can permanently change your gender?


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Polymorph any object would work, but can still be dispelled. In one of the adventure paths (won't spoil it here), there's a character that started out male but became female, due to using some spell or potion, but the AP in question doesn't provide info about the spell/potion so I am curious.


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The Elixer of Sex Shift was designed specifically for this.


That's perfect. I would also allow limited wish to do an instantaneous, non-dispellable sex change if it doesn't change their game stats.


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Charm person on a surgeon?

Wait, are we talking gender or biological sex? Changing gender is a bit more complicated.


Girdle of Opposite Gender is the granddaddy of gender changing items in D&D.


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The Elixir of Sex Shift is permanent in that it can't be dispelled by a hostile party.

However, there is nothing to stop someone who drank this Elixir from voluntarily drinking another one to reverse the change.


blahpers wrote:

Charm person on a surgeon?

Wait, are we talking gender or biological sex? Changing gender is a bit more complicated.

Biological. If a spell can change a human into a dragon or elemental, just changing their gender should be easy.


Yqatuba, I believe you're looking for Anderos salve and mulibrous tincture.
I know which AP you're talking about, and this item doesn't quite match up as it becomes permanent after 6 months... There's a certain NPC that would be the type of person to sell a slightly altered version of that item that wouldn't become permanent.
(Either that, or the little reptile was lying so that the other NPC thought they had to keep going back to get more.)

Wait, I read your post again and realized I'm either wrong or you reversed the genders by accident.
Regardless, that item will work, but I'd remove the 'permanent after 6 months' line.

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There was also a 3rd ed DnD product called the book of exotic fantasy or the like that had a bunch of things like this. As I recall (no time right now to hunt through my books to see if I still have it). The instantaneous sex change spell was 2nd level. I think there was another higher level one that also changed gender (subject mentally became the opposite sex rather than just physically). As well as one revirginfy someone if you wanted ot use them for a sacrifice though you needed to make a check to ensure they forgot their own sexual encounters and became spiritually pure.


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Yqatuba wrote:
blahpers wrote:
Wait, are we talking gender or biological sex? Changing gender is a bit more complicated.
Biological. If a spell can change a human into a dragon or elemental, just changing their gender should be easy.

You're conflating "gender" and "sex". They're two different things that are commonly mistaken as synonyms. It's generally understood that the Girdle of Opposite Gender just swaps your sex and nothing else gender-related (which is a nuanced subject, so I'll just link a Wikipedia article rather than going into detail of gender here). blahpers was pointing out that if it actually swapped gender it would be drastically more complicated.


Warped Savant wrote:

Yqatuba, I believe you're looking for Anderos salve and mulibrous tincture.

I know which AP you're talking about, and this item doesn't quite match up as it becomes permanent after 6 months... There's a certain NPC that would be the type of person to sell a slightly altered version of that item that wouldn't become permanent.
(Either that, or the little reptile was lying so that the other NPC thought they had to keep going back to get more.)

Wait, I read your post again and realized I'm either wrong or you reversed the genders by accident.
Regardless, that item will work, but I'd remove the 'permanent after 6 months' line.

Note that the Anderos salve and mulibrous tincture only change secondary sex characteristics, unlike the Elixer of Sex Shift.

They're essentially a fantasy take on hormone treatments.


Dasrak wrote:
Yqatuba wrote:
blahpers wrote:
Wait, are we talking gender or biological sex? Changing gender is a bit more complicated.
Biological. If a spell can change a human into a dragon or elemental, just changing their gender should be easy.
You're conflating "gender" and "sex". They're two different things that are commonly mistaken as synonyms. It's generally understood that the Girdle of Opposite Gender just swaps your sex and nothing else gender-related (which is a nuanced subject, so I'll just link a Wikipedia article rather than going into detail of gender here). blahpers was pointing out that if it actually swapped gender it would be drastically more complicated.

In modern terms, changing gender, as I understand it, would be essentially a mental thing and would generally not be wanted. I'm not sure in what sense it's more complicated to change both. We're using magic, so it's easy enough to say "poof, your gender has changed" whether in combination with a physical sex change or not. What the underlying mechanisms for gender are can be handwaved away.


thejeff wrote:
In modern terms, changing gender, as I understand it, would be essentially a mental thing and would generally not be wanted.

The term has evolved significantly since I first learned about the difference waaaay back in grade school, making it much more context-sensitive. It's difficult to meaningfully talk about "spells changing gender" without reaching consensus on which specific aspect(s) one is interested in.

(Edit: Ha, Dasrak beat me to the same link by a long shot.)

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blahpers wrote:
thejeff wrote:
In modern terms, changing gender, as I understand it, would be essentially a mental thing and would generally not be wanted.

The term has evolved significantly since I first learned about the difference waaaay back in grade school, making it much more context-sensitive. It's difficult to meaningfully talk about "spells changing gender" without reaching consensus on which specific aspect(s) one is interested in.

(Edit: Ha, Dasrak beat me to the same link by a long shot.)

Depends on the nature of the change, for me changing sex would generally be used/set up as a wizard either as a prank or punishment depending on how long it'll last so while the body is has changed the self-identity hasn't. Thus your typical story of a man turned into a woman that still thinks of themselves as a man and doesn't like their new body. Changing gender would be much the same. Changing both sex and gender would be used by a being planning a permanent change. In this the person changed still thinks they should be a man/woman but they're comfortable in their new body, when they're not paying attention they identify as their new gender. It's the differeence between Ranma 1/2 and Boku Girl (I think have to leave again so can't look it up) where the guy is changed by Loki and after they get over the belief they should be male actually realize they prefer being a girl and at the end choose to stay that way.


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Senko wrote:
blahpers wrote:
thejeff wrote:
In modern terms, changing gender, as I understand it, would be essentially a mental thing and would generally not be wanted.

The term has evolved significantly since I first learned about the difference waaaay back in grade school, making it much more context-sensitive. It's difficult to meaningfully talk about "spells changing gender" without reaching consensus on which specific aspect(s) one is interested in.

(Edit: Ha, Dasrak beat me to the same link by a long shot.)

Depends on the nature of the change, for me changing sex would generally be used/set up as a wizard either as a prank or punishment depending on how long it'll last so while the body is has changed the self-identity hasn't. Thus your typical story of a man turned into a woman that still thinks of themselves as a man and doesn't like their new body. Changing gender would be much the same. Changing both sex and gender would be used by a being planning a permanent change. In this the person changed still thinks they should be a man/woman but they're comfortable in their new body, when they're not paying attention they identify as their new gender. It's the differeence between Ranma 1/2 and Boku Girl (I think have to leave again so can't look it up) where the guy is changed by Loki and after they get over the belief they should be male actually realize they prefer being a girl and at the end choose to stay that way.

Changing sex could also be someone who's trans changing their physical body to match their actual identity. A good thing in such cases. What the Elixir of Sex Shift was intended for.

Changing someone's gender without changing their sex is almost creepier - changing someone's idea of what they should be without changing their body to match.


thejeff wrote:

Note that the Anderos salve and mulibrous tincture only change secondary sex characteristics, unlike the Elixer of Sex Shift.

They're essentially a fantasy take on hormone treatments.

Right! I forgot and then missed that it was just the secondary characteristics!

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