This Pathfinder Friday: Wanna help us make a character from the up coming Lost Omens: Character Guide?


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On September 13th this Pathfinder Friday (THE 13th OH NOO)

Me and Mark Seifter will be going through the Lost Omens World Guide, AND the up and coming Lost Omens Character Guide. And showing new and even veterans how to use these books to make a character.

And YOU chat get to help us out on this. By voting on which ancestry and background we'll be using from the Lost Omens books. Along with a class from the core rulebook!

For those that may not know. I am still learning Pathfinder Second Edition myself. And these streams have been extremely informative for me personally. So I figured let us show the fans who may be new to RPGs like this how to use these resources. While still giving veterans a look into the new books and systems coming their way!

So I hope you help teach me this awesome game from now and to the future. On Sept 13 at 4 p.m. Pacific for this Pathfinder Friday!

Twitch link:here..


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I would like to see a leshy paladin archer build with a Kyonin Emissary background.


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A leshy druid with a leshy familiar. It's leshies all the way down. Please make this happen.


I want to see a mutagenist again.


Yes. Mutagenist again, but only if that gets us a preview of the fix. Otherwise, meh. We already know how and why it's not great as is.

If not the leshyest of leshies to ever leshy, I want a hobgoblin.
But I'm really more interested in more info on what's in the book overall.


LOL I see a lot of leshy votes. IMO, I'd like to see one of those done that takes the seedpod feat and monk! We'd find out what the range is for the feat [it's missing from the blog]. For a background... Lets through something out off the wall: Miner!

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Friday 13th?

A Leshy, necromancer c:
Corpses entangled in roots

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To note we will be doing most of the voting live on stream. So you get to interact with us live.

Also, I'm going to be leveling this character up to lvl 5. And then I'll upload this character's PDF somewhere so you all can use it in your game or in our new Demo adventure!

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Payton Smith wrote:

To note we will be doing most of the voting live on stream. So you get to interact with us live.

Also, I'm going to be leveling this character up to lvl 5. And then I'll upload this character's PDF somewhere so you all can use it in your game or in our new Demo adventure!

We'll have you guys vote for the following:

1) Ancestry
2) Organization! (all sorts of fun organization options in the book)
3) Class

Then Payton and I will build up the rest, with a cool setup Payton worked out to let you see us fill out the character sheet. So if you want a particular class but only if we pick exactly a certain option for it, keep in mind we probably won't.

Level 5 is a good round milestone level, but we might also try to give you guy a level 6 if there's an option in the new book for your organization at exactly level 6 that's just too juicy to pass up. Since some of the more advanced archetypes start at 6, that's in the realm of possibility.

So tune in to watch our hijinks and find out more about the new book!


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I'm afraid people are going to keep voting for mutagenists until we get some inkling on what the fix to the mutagenist is going to be (or at least that this will be addressed in the upcoming update.)

Specifically that on the Pathfinder Friday where you mentioned some specific errors in the CRB you caught before all the things went to the printer, one of them was "your unarmed proficiency goes up when your other attack proficiencies do" (so that the fighter doesn't go from trained to legendary at level 19.) But since this was previously most "what the mutagenist got from their research field" it seems like something needs to be added to it instead of the thing which apparently applies to everyone automatically.

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Takamorisan wrote:

Friday 13th?

A Leshy, necromancer c:
Corpses entangled in roots

i greatly agree with this idea

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How about a Magaambyan gourd leshy druid? (I mean come on, who doesn't want to be as stylish as this leshy here!)

Disclosure:

I may have written for the Lost Omens Character Guide Magaambya section, plus some leshy stuff in Wilderness Origins.

Silver Crusade

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Andrew Mullen wrote:

How about a Magaambyan gourd leshy druid? (I mean come on, who doesn't want to be as stylish as this leshy here!)

** spoiler omitted **

Yesss


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I would love to see hellknight.

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Leshy Hellknight


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Rysky wrote:
Leshy Hellknight

With a pumpkin head!


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So they built a fungus leshy champion hellknight who worships Abadar. Well done, everyone. This is hilarious.


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ALL ABOARD THE LESHY HYPE TRAIN! CHOO CHOO!


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Wasn't able to tune in this time around, any particular highlights that were shown off? I'm really hyped for the Character Guide.


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Syri wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Leshy Hellknight
With a pumpkin head!

Give it a spiked chain, and make it specialized in intimidation and trip.

"Kneel before me! For I am the Scourge of Happy Pumpkin Spice Lane! I shall make you fear my adorably small iron fist!"


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The-Magic-Sword wrote:
Wasn't able to tune in this time around, any particular highlights that were shown off? I'm really hyped for the Character Guide.

Briefly mentioned three Iruxi heritages (one with a swim speed, a gecko-y climbing one, and a desert one whose perks I didn’t catch) and three Leshy heritages (gourds can quickdraw an item stored in their head, leaf leshies take less from fall damage, fungus leshies can see in the dark). There’s a leshy Ancestry Feat that lets you turn into a regular plant as a disguise. Organizations seem to have alignment locks, with Hellknights along the lawful axis, Firebrands within one step of CG, and the Knights of Lastwall are any good (with a brief mention of a new CG faction).

Hellknight Armiger feeds into Hellknight, if you didn’t already know. You get proficiency in Hellknight armor that scales with your highest armor proficiency. There’s a level 8 feat to choose your Hellknight order.


keftiu wrote:
The-Magic-Sword wrote:
Wasn't able to tune in this time around, any particular highlights that were shown off? I'm really hyped for the Character Guide.

Briefly mentioned three Iruxi heritages (one with a swim speed, a gecko-y climbing one, and a desert one whose perks I didn’t catch) and three Leshy heritages (gourds can quickdraw an item stored in their head, leaf leshies take less from fall damage, fungus leshies can see in the dark). There’s a leshy Ancestry Feat that lets you turn into a regular plant as a disguise. Organizations seem to have alignment locks, with Hellknights along the lawful axis, Firebrands within one step of CG, and the Knights of Lastwall are any good (with a brief mention of a new CG faction).

Hellknight Armiger feeds into Hellknight, if you didn’t already know. You get proficiency in Hellknight armor that scales with your highest armor proficiency. There’s a level 8 feat to choose your Hellknight order.

Did they specify whether higher level hellknight feats allowed you to exceed your class' armor proficiency? Or just that being a hellknight enables that armor proficiency with hellknight armor? If the Hell knight is not a class that can grant increased armor proficiency, then it looks like champions alone are capable of legendary armor, which is pretty weird in world, since that means that ability to be best at defending yourself is going to be tied to religious dogma. Unless it was mentioned that there will be philosophy driven champions at some point in the future, which would still get weird if they don't lose their lay on hands and connection to divine focus spells.


They mentioned in passing a hellknight feat to let their prof for heavy armor and weapons stay up to snuff but since they picked champion they did not go into it much. Sounded like level 6 or 8 option.


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keftiu wrote:
Hellknight Armiger feeds into Hellknight

Something I thought I caught from the stream but wasn't entirely clear on was, I think Mark said "the Hellknight dedication requires the Armiger dedication" (a paraphrase) which... I'm not really a fan of. It seems like someone should be able to become a Hellknight by joining the order and then passing the test without having had to have been an Armiger.

Also since the dedication feat is often the least exciting part of the archetype, I'm leery of having to have to take two.


Well an armiger is basically a squire so it does make sense to become a squire before you become a knight. One upside is it does not require you to finish off 3 feats to take it just basically needs the armiger devotion I believe. Also most of the armiger stuff is all pretty hellknight oriented anyway so you wind up just being really fleshed out as a hell knight.

The devotion stuff seemed pretty strong the scaling resistances looked pretty good.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:


Also since the dedication feat is often the least exciting part of the archetype, I'm leery of having to have to take two.

So, if Hellknight requires Armiger, I would expect Hellknight Dedication to provide solid mechanical benefits, instead of just being the standard Dedication feat that mostly serves as a gateway.


Unicore wrote:
keftiu wrote:
The-Magic-Sword wrote:
Wasn't able to tune in this time around, any particular highlights that were shown off? I'm really hyped for the Character Guide.

Briefly mentioned three Iruxi heritages (one with a swim speed, a gecko-y climbing one, and a desert one whose perks I didn’t catch) and three Leshy heritages (gourds can quickdraw an item stored in their head, leaf leshies take less from fall damage, fungus leshies can see in the dark). There’s a leshy Ancestry Feat that lets you turn into a regular plant as a disguise. Organizations seem to have alignment locks, with Hellknights along the lawful axis, Firebrands within one step of CG, and the Knights of Lastwall are any good (with a brief mention of a new CG faction).

Hellknight Armiger feeds into Hellknight, if you didn’t already know. You get proficiency in Hellknight armor that scales with your highest armor proficiency. There’s a level 8 feat to choose your Hellknight order.

Did they specify whether higher level hellknight feats allowed you to exceed your class' armor proficiency? Or just that being a hellknight enables that armor proficiency with hellknight armor? If the Hell knight is not a class that can grant increased armor proficiency, then it looks like champions alone are capable of legendary armor, which is pretty weird in world, since that means that ability to be best at defending yourself is going to be tied to religious dogma. Unless it was mentioned that there will be philosophy driven champions at some point in the future, which would still get weird if they don't lose their lay on hands and connection to divine focus spells.

Only one class gets legendary in weapons so I don’t find it unusual that only one gets legendary in armour.

I also don’t find it weird that in a system where AC is valued very highly (the AC based magic runes are higher level than the attack based ones) that the best defence is reserved for those using faith as a shield

I can’t think of many other things that would justify the same level of defense except perhaps a Stalwart defender type prestige / archetype should it exist

As to whether Hell Knight gets to legendary - they didn’t say so I don’t know . I think it is like the others have said - there is something that makes your armour scale in line with your “class” armour. So a Ruffian Hellknight could get up to Master in Hell Knight plate . And that is also not weird because you wouldn’t wear any other kind of armour as a Hell Knight

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As for getting into the Hellknight Archetype: I don't remember the exact wording used in the stream, but I believe you are able to get the Hellknight Dedication without already having the Hellknight Armiger.

It has been said that Armiger feats naturally lead to full Hellknight, (with the scaling mental damage resistance) and that you don't need to take two more Armiger feats before getting the Hellknight Dedication feat (as is already written in the Armiger Dedication Special entry).


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I had to stop watching when it was clear they were doing a Leshy Hellknight, too ridiculous...

...Although, what better to strike fear into the hearts of some of those vicious VEGETARIANS?


Quandary wrote:
vicious VEGETARIANS?

I would have accepted 'vicious VEGANS' too. ;)


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One thing I noticed was that they mentioned the 5 organization archetypes in the book, but the rulebook preview mentions "10 new archetypes to allow characters of any class to participate in the world's most notable organizations".

It seemed like they mentioned the only 5 organization archetypes on the Twitch stream, but maybe I misunderstood something. That or there are five more, non-organizational archetypes.


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Xethik wrote:

One thing I noticed was that they mentioned the 5 organization archetypes in the book, but the rulebook preview mentions "10 new archetypes to allow characters of any class to participate in the world's most notable organizations".

It seemed like they mentioned the only 5 organization archetypes on the Twitch stream, but maybe I misunderstood something. That or there are five more, non-organizational archetypes.

Well, the Hellknights presumably have two: the Hellknight and the Signifer. So it's conceivable that the other 4 organizations will have multiple archetypes as well.


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Quandary wrote:

I had to stop watching when it was clear they were doing a Leshy Hellknight, too ridiculous...

...Although, what better to strike fear into the hearts of some of those vicious VEGETARIANS?

I am pretty sure if you saw a walking/talking fungus in full hellknight plate shield and sword that would be pretty damn scary.

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