Dragon Claws and Monk stances


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After my question on interaction between Morph and Polymorph effects, similar question now but between Dragon Claws and Monk Stances.

Dragon Claws is a morph effect that gives claws dealing 1d4 damage plus 1d6 energy damage (that scales up to 3d6 at 9th). Monk stances e.g. Tiger stance allows you to make claws attack that deal 1d8 slashing damage; are in the brawling group; and have the agile, finesse, nonlethal, and unarmed traits.

Let's imagine you used you focus spell to cast dragon claws, then with your next action you enter the Tiger stance, then strike.

How much damage do you do?

1. 1d8 slashing (dragon claws has no effect)
2. 1d4 slashing + 1d6 energy (stance has no effect)
3. 1d8 slashing + 1d6 energy (stance overwrites the damage of the claws but you keep the energy damage)

The last one seems reasonable to me and I don't see anything in the rules that says one way or the other.

Thoughts?


4.:

your choice of hitting with the "actual Claws" that deal the damage as per Sorc power OR hit with the monk unarmed attack that's merely called claws (but it's actually just fist/fingers) and do the monk damage.

Traits used for each attack are as gain for their respective attacks.


shroudb wrote:

4.:

your choice of hitting with the "actual Claws" that deal the damage as per Sorc power OR hit with the monk unarmed attack that's merely called claws (but it's actually just fist/fingers) and do the monk damage.

Traits used for each attack are as gain for their respective attacks.

With Tiger Stance, or better yet Wolf Stance, you can’t actually hit them with ‘one or the other’ without using meta game logic/reasoning. The Claws will protrude from the fingers and inevitably conflict. Mountain or Crane stance specifically limit your attack pattern, and Dragon Stance could be reasoned as ‘one or the other’.


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Pumpkinhead11 wrote:
shroudb wrote:

4.:

your choice of hitting with the "actual Claws" that deal the damage as per Sorc power OR hit with the monk unarmed attack that's merely called claws (but it's actually just fist/fingers) and do the monk damage.

Traits used for each attack are as gain for their respective attacks.

With Tiger Stance, or better yet Wolf Stance, you can’t actually hit them with ‘one or the other’ without using meta game logic/reasoning. The Claws will protrude from the fingers and inevitably conflict. Mountain or Crane stance specifically limit your attack pattern, and Dragon Stance could be reasoned as ‘one or the other’.

Neither Tiger or Wolf stance have restrictive language. Only Mountain and Crane have that. As for "not using the claws" ofc you can. Do you also disallow someone punching if he has claws?

So, for tiger/sorc, you CAN actually use one or the other.

but:

yeah, didn't go in with the "you can ONLY hit with that" stances attacks thing, mainly because i was trying for a more generic responce concerning "can i combine 2 different attacks into one" in which the answer would be "no, but you can use either".

I do agree, that with the specific language some of the stances have, you are directly disallowed to Strike with ANYTHING other than said Strikes. But those stances are only the minority.

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