Sorcerer Dedication

[rainzax]

Sorcerer Dedication
Prerequisite: Charisma 14
Choose a bloodline. You become trained in one of the bloodline’s two skills; if you were already trained in both of these skills, you become trained in a skill of your choice. You cast spells like a sorcerer. You gain access to the Cast a Spell activity. You gain a spell repertoire with two common cantrips from the spell list associated with your bloodline or any other cantrips you learn or discover, plus your bloodline's cantrip. You’re trained in spell attack rolls and spell DCs for your tradition’s spells. Your key spellcasting ability for sorcerer archetype spells is Charisma, and they are sorcerer spells of your bloodline’s tradition. You don’t gain any other abilities from your choice of bloodline.

Basic Sorcerer Spellcasting
Prerequisite: Sorcerer Dedication
You gain the basic spellcasting benefits. Each time you gain a spell slot of a new level from the sorcerer archetype, add two spells of the appropriate spell level to your repertoire: a common spell of your bloodline’s tradition or another spell you have learned or discovered, and your bloodline’s granted spell.

...

Because one spell in repertoire per level is too few?

[rainzax]

To bolster my case, here is a side-by-side analysis of the 5 current Spellcaster MCD (Multiclass Dedication) Archetypes.

All Things Being Equal...

1) Class Feats
2) Skills Granted
3) Spellcasting Ability (INT, WIS, CHA)
4) Spell List (Arcane, Divine, Primal, Occult)
5) Spell Slots (quantity)

...It appears the Differences are...

Bard - Two skills, One spell in Repertoire
Cleric - Two skills, All spells in Repertoire, Anathma (by Deity)
Druid - Two skills, All spells in Repertoire, Anathma (by Order)
Sorcerer - Two skills, One spell in Repertoire
Wizard - One skill, Two spells in Repertoire (but 4 Cantrips)

...Concluding that Bard and Sorcerer have the Most Restrictive Spell Options!

[Ggranger]

For me as well this seems crazy.

My opinion on the sorcerer was that it wasn’t a prepared caster, it was a spontaneous. The issue is that with only a single spell you know per level, you are absolutely locked in and not spontaneous at all.

At this point, the Wizard has infinitely more flexibility than the sorcerer, as they can change their spells every day - and learn even more.

I understand this is supposed to only be an archetype, however if there was just some sort of choice like ‘get access to your bloodline granted spell + one other, it would give the class some (though limited) flexibility.

[rainzax]

Full agreement.

"1 per" is simply too restrictive to consider for an MCD.

[Squiggit]

Yeah I feel like this is a necessary change on both accounts.

Comparing basic spellcasting between the Druid and the Sorcerer, they effectively have the same casting mechanic, except the Druid can freely retrain their one spell slot every day.

I like the Dedication change too. As written right now you can't pick up your bloodline's cantrip if it's not on your list and that feels really weird.

[Samurai]

I just updated my house rules to include a fix for this. The version is now 1.4.

Samurai's Pathfinder 2e changes

[Dryder]

I like this!

[WatersLethe]

Yeah, the one spell known per level is shockingly inflexible. I feel that increasing that to two known per spell level is a decent change, but increasing it even further might be in order.

There really should also be signature spells available as well.

[Dante Doom]

I hope they have a way to fix that in an errata

[BellyBeard]

I feel like the one per level is good, personally. It fits the sorcerer theme of being more limited in options compared to other casters/the other archetypes. However, the other side to that is that you get to use your limited thing more often, so maybe you can instead get one spell usable twice/three times per day or something like that.