paizo.com Recent Posts in Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?paizo.com Recent Posts in Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?2019-12-27T20:52:00Z2019-12-27T20:52:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?BishopMcQhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2252019-12-22T15:03:16Z2019-12-18T20:05:52Z<p>I don't believe they are mutually exclusive.</p>I don't believe they are mutually exclusive.BishopMcQ2019-12-18T20:05:52ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2242019-12-18T19:58:49Z2019-12-18T19:58:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Malk_Content wrote:</div><blockquote> Paizo stated the errata was coming out when it did because some stuff needed to be sorted before the APG playtest came out. Therefore that schedule of release prompted the relative quick release of errata. </blockquote><p>You mean it didn't actually have anything to do with Paizo listening to its customer base's requests for more efficient access to errata?
<p>Oh pooh.</p>Malk_Content wrote:Paizo stated the errata was coming out when it did because some stuff needed to be sorted before the APG playtest came out. Therefore that schedule of release prompted the relative quick release of errata.
You mean it didn't actually have anything to do with Paizo listening to its customer base's requests for more efficient access to errata? Oh pooh.Ravingdork2019-12-18T19:58:25ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?Malk_Contenthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2232019-12-18T19:47:31Z2019-12-18T19:47:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Raven Black wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">dirtypool wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">HumbleGamer wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To me discussions are always a good thing.</p>
<p>Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata. </blockquote><p>Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata. The issue at hand is that there are a number of people who think that production of new content should slow down so that errata can happen faster regardless of the fact that no other RPG company prioritizes support of existing product over creation of new product. These people repeat their view often, and usually in the form of a demand or a statement of expectation.
<p>A discussion about ways for the community to work with the Devs to create something mutually beneficial is a great idea, this thread however is just Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and we should try to put it to bed. </blockquote><p>To clarify any misunderstanding, I am okay with the current pace of releases. I am not asking for it to slow down.
<p>I honestly think a steady stream of errata will help sustain a steady stream of new products. I do not see an opposition between these two activities but rather complementarity.</p>
<p>YMMV obviously. </blockquote><p>I think this holds merit. Paizo stated the errata was coming out when it did because some stuff needed to be sorted before the APG playtest came out. Therefore that schedule of release prompted the relative quick release of errata.The Raven Black wrote:dirtypool wrote: HumbleGamer wrote:To me discussions are always a good thing.
Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata.
Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata. The issue at hand is that there are a number of people who think that production of new content should slow down so that errata can happen faster regardless of the fact that no other RPG company prioritizes...Malk_Content2019-12-18T19:47:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?The Raven Blackhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2222019-12-18T19:43:12Z2019-12-18T18:48:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">dirtypool wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">HumbleGamer wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To me discussions are always a good thing.</p>
<p>Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata. </blockquote><p>Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata. The issue at hand is that there are a number of people who think that production of new content should slow down so that errata can happen faster regardless of the fact that no other RPG company prioritizes support of existing product over creation of new product. These people repeat their view often, and usually in the form of a demand or a statement of expectation.
<p>A discussion about ways for the community to work with the Devs to create something mutually beneficial is a great idea, this thread however is just Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and we should try to put it to bed. </blockquote><p>To clarify any misunderstanding, I am okay with the current pace of releases. I am not asking for it to slow down.
<p>I honestly think a steady stream of errata will help sustain a steady stream of new products. I do not see an opposition between these two activities but rather complementarity.</p>
<p>YMMV obviously.</p>dirtypool wrote:HumbleGamer wrote:To me discussions are always a good thing.
Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata.
Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata. The issue at hand is that there are a number of people who think that production of new content should slow down so that errata can happen faster regardless of the fact that no other RPG company prioritizes support of existing product...The Raven Black2019-12-18T18:48:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?dirtypoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2212019-12-18T21:52:30Z2019-12-18T16:02:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zapp wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The errata information around here is atrocious. </p>
<p>You have official errata from Paizo (late and little), or you have a completely useless gargantuan thread with every little misspelling completely drowning the useful stuff.
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</blockquote><p>I think some of us are incredulous because the complaints against the existing reference and errata system seem a bit extreme. Let's take yours as an example, referring to the official errata as late and little. What is the metric by which you define "late?"
<p>Is it that the first wave of errata was delivered a few weeks later than promised? If that's all you mean, then yes - guilty as charged. It did drop a full three weeks later than intended. If instead you mean that it was released later in the games life than other companies first errata release, then no it absolutely was not late. Wizard's 1.0 PHB errata release was in 2016, two years after the game was released. Fantasy Flight just dropped errata for its first three Genesys books, the first of which came out in 2017. We got our first errata for this game something like 14 weeks after launch. Paizo is by and large faster at getting errata out than any other game company, and has been since PF1's launch.</p>
<p>Now on to "little." I take this to mean that you wanted the 90 odd day compilation of errata to have been more comprehensive. The 5e PHB errata was 2 pages long, it took an additional two years (we're at 4 now) to put out the current 3 page errata. In 4 years of collecting errata for the PHB they resolved 109 issues with the original text. Paizo resolved 103 in 3 months.</p>
<p>What are you comparing the current errata to that makes it "atrocious" by comparison, because it isn't the rest of the games industry.</p>Zapp wrote:The errata information around here is atrocious.
You have official errata from Paizo (late and little), or you have a completely useless gargantuan thread with every little misspelling completely drowning the useful stuff.
I think some of us are incredulous because the complaints against the existing reference and errata system seem a bit extreme. Let's take yours as an example, referring to the official errata as late and little. What is the metric by which you define "late?" Is...dirtypool2019-12-18T16:02:51ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?thenobledrakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2192019-12-18T16:50:39Z2019-12-18T15:43:58Z<p>The problem with the "99% of gamers are only interested in maybe 5% of the errors reported" thing is that it is true, but it's also irrelevant because <i>which</i> 5% differs from gamer to gamer.</p>The problem with the "99% of gamers are only interested in maybe 5% of the errors reported" thing is that it is true, but it's also irrelevant because which 5% differs from gamer to gamer.thenobledrake2019-12-18T15:43:58ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2182019-12-18T23:37:04Z2019-12-18T15:29:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zapp wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Aricks wrote:</div><blockquote> So is there a sticky post? A blog post? An offhand comment in a thread or stream does not effective community feedback make. </blockquote><p>The errata information around here is atrocious.
<p>You have official errata from Paizo (late and little), or you have a completely useless gargantuan thread with every little misspelling completely drowning the useful stuff.</p>
<p>For some reason it seems stickying a short list of only the impactful bits of error reporting is completely alien to the Pathfinder community... 99% of gamers are only interested in maybe 5% of the errors reported. </blockquote><p>You could have just as easily stated this viewpoint without the antagonistic phrasing.Zapp wrote:Aricks wrote: So is there a sticky post? A blog post? An offhand comment in a thread or stream does not effective community feedback make.
The errata information around here is atrocious. You have official errata from Paizo (late and little), or you have a completely useless gargantuan thread with every little misspelling completely drowning the useful stuff.
For some reason it seems stickying a short list of only the impactful bits of error reporting is completely alien to the...Ravingdork2019-12-18T15:29:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?Zapphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2172019-12-18T18:26:19Z2019-12-18T08:49:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aricks wrote:</div><blockquote> So is there a sticky post? A blog post? An offhand comment in a thread or stream does not effective community feedback make. </blockquote><p>The errata information around here is atrocious.
<p>You have official errata from Paizo (late and little), or you have a completely useless gargantuan thread with every little misspelling completely drowning the useful stuff.</p>
<p>For some reason it seems stickying a short list of only the impactful bits of error reporting is completely alien to the Pathfinder community... 99% of gamers are only interested in maybe 5% of the errors reported.</p>Aricks wrote:So is there a sticky post? A blog post? An offhand comment in a thread or stream does not effective community feedback make.
The errata information around here is atrocious. You have official errata from Paizo (late and little), or you have a completely useless gargantuan thread with every little misspelling completely drowning the useful stuff.
For some reason it seems stickying a short list of only the impactful bits of error reporting is completely alien to the Pathfinder...Zapp2019-12-18T08:49:36ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?Sara Mariehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2162019-12-19T02:42:53Z2019-12-17T18:37:00Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>I removed some posts and replies. Remember this is a thread about your opinions, don't bicker or name call over preferences or your subjective viewpoints. I get the comparison between Pathfinder and D&D is an easy one to make, but you can compare without trash talking. </span></p>I removed some posts and replies. Remember this is a thread about your opinions, don't bicker or name call over preferences or your subjective viewpoints. I get the comparison between Pathfinder and D&D is an easy one to make, but you can compare without trash talking.Sara Marie2019-12-17T18:37:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?tivadar27https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2132019-12-18T18:37:55Z2019-12-16T19:54:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DirtyPool wrote:</div><blockquote>Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata.</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Sporkedup wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I mean, y'all might have a slightly skewed view of what is impactful on the bulk of players. We're all hopeless nerds here, but there are lots of players who don't enjoy digging into minutiae and rules and stuff. Those players never care too much about errata, but the APG? Hell yeah, they all care about that.</p>
<p>This game is by no stretch of the definition unplayable, broken, or even all that rough around the edges. Little updates and bug fixes are great, but most people (the majority of their source of paizo's income) will be happier with an expanding product instead of a perfecting one.</p>
<p>At least to my experience anecdotally in person and online. These forums offer a pretty different view of what people really care about compared to the general gaming population. </blockquote><p>This post with 11 likes suggests you're wrong. I'm actually arguing a lot of people disagree with me... and your argument seems to be you disagree...
<p>RE: Posting on PFS forums, well, we don't currently have a forum for PFS 2e. Another thing that would be useful. Still, while not having rules clarity affects PFS play disproportionately, it does, actually, affect everyone in general.</p>DirtyPool wrote:Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata.
Sporkedup wrote:I mean, y'all might have a slightly skewed view of what is impactful on the bulk of players. We're all hopeless nerds here, but there are lots of players who don't enjoy digging into minutiae and rules and stuff. Those players never care too much about errata, but the APG? Hell yeah, they all care about that.
This game is by no stretch of the definition unplayable, broken, or even all that...tivadar272019-12-16T19:54:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?CrystalSeashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2122019-12-16T21:12:54Z2019-12-16T19:31:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">HumbleGamer wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I agree that it is mostly a matter or time and resources.
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[snip]</p>
<p>This is what I am talking about.</p>
<p>We do stuff,but not in the most efficient possible way. And we, eventually, don't have to be afraid to trade a different approach.</blockquote><p>There is nothing stopping you from taking on that project yourself. You don't have to wait for someone to give you permission. Just do it.
<p>If you can't recruit other people to help you, then it may be an indication of whether that seems to be a good use of time for other people.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>They do what they can ( while the main proposal would be to offer a better tool in order to let em work on stuff, eventually saving them time).</blockquote><p>Once you start telling Paizo how they should run their company (ie telling them what priorities staff should have for how they use their work time), then you're deep into your own alternative reality.
<p>Paizo makes the business decisions about how to allocate labor, materials, creative time, etc that they think will be best for their company. Based on those decisions, staff are given their assignments and deadlines. Paizo staff have priorities that use decades of business expertise about how to keep this company in business. </p>
<p>If you want to make it easy for staff to create FAQs, and you think you have a system that will speed the process, then create the system and let staff make use of it. But don't be surprised when staff have a different set of priorities about use of their time than you do.</p>HumbleGamer wrote:I agree that it is mostly a matter or time and resources.
[snip]This is what I am talking about.
We do stuff,but not in the most efficient possible way. And we, eventually, don't have to be afraid to trade a different approach.
There is nothing stopping you from taking on that project yourself. You don't have to wait for someone to give you permission. Just do it. If you can't recruit other people to help you, then it may be an indication of whether that seems to be a...CrystalSeas2019-12-16T19:31:15ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?Squiggithttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2102019-12-18T18:36:57Z2019-12-16T19:16:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">dirtypool wrote:</div><blockquote>That isn't a conversation</blockquote><p>It totally is. You're even in here, participating in said conversation by disagreeing with their points, which is great!
<p>I agree with your general point, but I think you should focus on that instead of just demanding that they stop posting because you don't agree with their position. Kinda rude tbh.</p>dirtypool wrote:That isn't a conversation
It totally is. You're even in here, participating in said conversation by disagreeing with their points, which is great! I agree with your general point, but I think you should focus on that instead of just demanding that they stop posting because you don't agree with their position. Kinda rude tbh.Squiggit2019-12-16T19:16:51ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?HumbleGamerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2092019-12-16T19:06:49Z2019-12-16T19:06:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CrystalSeas wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">HumbleGamer wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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We could help paizo to get track of this things by listing questions, while paizo could provvide answers time by time.</p>
<p>This will give them more visibility in terms of FAQ and degree of importance, and will allow the community to rely on a compendium, which enhance the errata that will cone time by time.</p>
<p>But the real questions are</p>
<p>Would paizo like to take part in a similar Project? </p>
<p>And would some of the community members ( because it should be managed by few )take on this responsability? </p>
<p>It would take time and dedication from both sides, but I really believe that something like this could be really a good deal.</blockquote><p>The "Errata Thread(s)" do exactly this.
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<a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42nmp&page=1?TyposMistakesEtc-in-2E-Books-Collection" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Errata Thread 1</a>
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<a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42tpd&page=1?CRB-Typos-Mistakes-Etc-Post-Errata-10" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Errata Thread 2</a></p>
<p>No matter how enthusiastic players are, Paizo staff has limited work hours to commit to meeting our demands/interests/requests. No matter how they allocate those hours and resources, people criticize them. </p>
<p>If you want to help, post the errors you discover in the errata thread. When staff have the time, they can look there to see what needs to be fixed, and decide which things get fixed first.
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</blockquote><p>I agree that it is mostly a matter or time and resources.
<p>My point was that something even better could be done. </p>
<p>Browsing a forum post is not efficient.</p>
<p>- Extrapolating stuff from it.</p>
<p>- Extrapolating questions/FAQ from the whole forum.</p>
<p>- list them up in a proper way ( like per subgroup depends the chapter. Different sheets one per FAQ, the other for typos ).</p>
<p>This is what I am talking about. </p>
<p>We do stuff,but not in the most efficient possible way. And we, eventually, don't have to be afraid to trade a different approach.</p>
<p>I find unsatisfying to limit all with</p>
<p>We have threads
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Or
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They do what they can ( while the main proposal would be to offer a better tool in order to let em work on stuff, eventually saving them time ).</p>
<p>But we are probably ot as some1 else stated.
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-</p>CrystalSeas wrote:HumbleGamer wrote:
We could help paizo to get track of this things by listing questions, while paizo could provvide answers time by time.This will give them more visibility in terms of FAQ and degree of importance, and will allow the community to rely on a compendium, which enhance the errata that will cone time by time.
But the real questions are
Would paizo like to take part in a similar Project?
And would some of the community members ( because it should be managed by...HumbleGamer2019-12-16T19:06:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?dirtypoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2082019-12-18T18:36:37Z2019-12-16T18:09:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">tivadar27 wrote:</div><blockquote> This thread •wouldn't• have been necro'ed had Paizo actually addressed the issues it had raised 3 months ago</blockquote><p>What issues did Paizo leave unaddressed? Let's look at your specific reasons for necroposting:
<div class="messageboard-quotee">tivadar27 wrote:</div><blockquote>We've gotten one Errata that has left a bunch of stuff unresolved. Perhaps one day Battle Medicine or Shifting Runes will have an answer :-P.</blockquote><p>So you're not satisfied with the current errata that came out less than 60 days ago. Noted. You'd like errata to be more holistic and happen faster. No company offers errata as robust as what you're asking for, Paizo has delivered what they promised they would.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">tivadar27 wrote:</div><blockquote> We have no FAQ system and don't seem to have developers answering questions on the forums either, leaving everything unaddressed for people to wonder (and debate fiercely) about.</blockquote><p>We weren't promised an FAQ system, nor were we promised a schedule or Dev's answering questions on the forums so this is NOT an outstanding deliverable. No reason to bring it up because it is NOT something that Paizo ever had to address.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">tivadar27 wrote:</div><blockquote> PFS hasn't gotten any of the new material sanctioned, and clarifications on that front have been hard as well. They've blown past their previous "3 week" announcement by about double that now with no statement on where things are in the process. </blockquote><p>That's something to take to the PFS forum.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">tivadar27 wrote:</div><blockquote> There seems to be no consistent way to tell people about what's going on outside of the occasional blog post and some of their Paizo Friday videos. I like the videos, but not as a substitute for informing the community what's going on or clarifying rules. and the primary way for the community, right now, to provide feedback to Paizo is through the Forums (unless I'm missing another channel I'm not aware of...) </blockquote><p>We're on their website... you'd like a more personalized method of announcing things? Should it also be able to tuck you in at night? They're not dropping the ball on things, there aren't millions of things going on that we're ALL failing to notice.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">tivadar27 wrote:</div><blockquote> I think discussions are always a good thing. </blockquote><p>Discussions are a good thing. This however is you necroposting something so you could air your list of grievances and demands. That isn't a conversation
<div class="messageboard-quotee">tivadar27 wrote:</div><blockquote> I think discussions are always a good thing. And if something is a problem for a bunch of folks and remains a problem, it's not a big deal to mention it again a few months later. </blockquote><p>But what problems are being mentioned beyond you wanting Paizo to give you the things they promised on your timetable rather than theirs? What problems are being mentioned beyond you demanding they give you something that you decided was required of them that they never promised they'd give?tivadar27 wrote:This thread *wouldn't* have been necro'ed had Paizo actually addressed the issues it had raised 3 months ago
What issues did Paizo leave unaddressed? Let's look at your specific reasons for necroposting: tivadar27 wrote:We've gotten one Errata that has left a bunch of stuff unresolved. Perhaps one day Battle Medicine or Shifting Runes will have an answer :-P.
So you're not satisfied with the current errata that came out less than 60 days ago. Noted. You'd like errata to be...dirtypool2019-12-16T18:09:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?CrystalSeashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2072019-12-17T20:48:01Z2019-12-16T18:02:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">HumbleGamer wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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We could help paizo to get track of this things by listing questions, while paizo could provvide answers time by time.</p>
<p>This will give them more visibility in terms of FAQ and degree of importance, and will allow the community to rely on a compendium, which enhance the errata that will cone time by time.</p>
<p>But the real questions are</p>
<p>Would paizo like to take part in a similar Project? </p>
<p>And would some of the community members ( because it should be managed by few )take on this responsability? </p>
<p>It would take time and dedication from both sides, but I really believe that something like this could be really a good deal.</blockquote><p>The "Errata Thread(s)" do exactly this.
</p>
<a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42nmp&page=1?TyposMistakesEtc-in-2E-Books-Collection" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Errata Thread 1</a>
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<a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42tpd&page=1?CRB-Typos-Mistakes-Etc-Post-Errata-10" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Errata Thread 2</a></p>
<p>No matter how enthusiastic players are, Paizo staff has limited work hours to commit to meeting our demands/interests/requests. No matter how they allocate those hours and resources, people criticize them. </p>
<p>If you want to help, post the errors you discover in the errata thread. When staff have the time, they can look there to see what needs to be fixed, and decide which things get fixed first.</p>HumbleGamer wrote:We could help paizo to get track of this things by listing questions, while paizo could provvide answers time by time.This will give them more visibility in terms of FAQ and degree of importance, and will allow the community to rely on a compendium, which enhance the errata that will cone time by time.
But the real questions are
Would paizo like to take part in a similar Project?
And would some of the community members ( because it should be managed by few )take on this...CrystalSeas2019-12-16T18:02:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?dirtypoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2062019-12-16T18:27:17Z2019-12-16T17:50:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">HumbleGamer wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To me discussions are always a good thing.</p>
<p>Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata. </blockquote><p>Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata. The issue at hand is that there are a number of people who think that production of new content should slow down so that errata can happen faster regardless of the fact that no other RPG company prioritizes support of existing product over creation of new product. These people repeat their view often, and usually in the form of a demand or a statement of expectation.
<p>A discussion about ways for the community to work with the Devs to create something mutually beneficial is a great idea, this thread however is just Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and we should try to put it to bed.</p>HumbleGamer wrote:To me discussions are always a good thing.
Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata.
Literally no one here has suggested that we don't want or need errata. The issue at hand is that there are a number of people who think that production of new content should slow down so that errata can happen faster regardless of the fact that no other RPG company prioritizes support of existing product over creation...dirtypool2019-12-16T17:50:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?tivadar27https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2052019-12-16T17:37:02Z2019-12-16T17:37:02Z<p>I'm completely open to different approaches, but to say "Raising a thread from the dead every few months serves no purpose" I think misses the issue. This thread •wouldn't• have been necro'ed had Paizo actually addressed the issues it had raised 3 months ago, and the primary way for the community, right now, to provide feedback to Paizo is through the Forums (unless I'm missing another channel I'm not aware of...).</p>
<p>So yeah, maybe there are reasons for them not getting to this, and I can understand that, but I agree with HumbleGamer here, I think discussions are always a good thing. And if something is a problem for a bunch of folks and remains a problem, it's not a big deal to mention it again a few months later.</p>I'm completely open to different approaches, but to say "Raising a thread from the dead every few months serves no purpose" I think misses the issue. This thread *wouldn't* have been necro'ed had Paizo actually addressed the issues it had raised 3 months ago, and the primary way for the community, right now, to provide feedback to Paizo is through the Forums (unless I'm missing another channel I'm not aware of...).
So yeah, maybe there are reasons for them not getting to this, and I can...tivadar272019-12-16T17:37:02ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?HumbleGamerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2042019-12-18T18:33:38Z2019-12-16T17:20:59Z<p>To me discussions are always a good thing.</p>
<p>Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata.</p>
<p>What I really think is that community and staff could cooperate altogether.</p>
<p>While it is true that a forum could be useful to ask questions, get answers and share knowledge and proposals, it is also true that many things get lost and the same questions returns over and over.</p>
<p>We could help paizo to get track of this things by listing questions, while paizo could provvide answers time by time.</p>
<p>This will give them more visibility in terms of FAQ and degree of importance, and will allow the community to rely on a compendium, which enhance the errata that will cone time by time.</p>
<p>But the real questions are</p>
<p>Would paizo like to take part in a similar Project? </p>
<p>And would some of the community members ( because it should be managed by few )take on this responsability? </p>
<p>It would take time and dedication from both sides, but I really believe that something like this could be really a good deal.</p>To me discussions are always a good thing.
Of course it is neither Wise nor good to pretend things, but it is true that people would appreciate any errata.
What I really think is that community and staff could cooperate altogether.
While it is true that a forum could be useful to ask questions, get answers and share knowledge and proposals, it is also true that many things get lost and the same questions returns over and over.
We could help paizo to get track of this things by listing...HumbleGamer2019-12-16T17:20:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?dirtypoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2032019-12-19T02:42:26Z2019-12-16T17:07:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Angel Hunter D wrote:</div><blockquote> Assuming anyone will do the wisest thing in their own assumes a lot and rarely happens. This thread continuing to pop up just shows that there are customers that want FAQS and stuff. </blockquote><p>Presuming that you know a company’s industry better than they do assumes EVEN more, and quite arrogantly so I might add.
<p>My point is that if they want to give us FAQ’s, they will. They’ll do so on their timetable and not the one deemed best by the forum posters. If they don’t want to give us FAQ’s then they won’t. They are in no way obligated to, no matter how much the posters in this thread think they are.</p>
<p>If we go by the disingenuous idea that this threads posters constitute enough demand for “FAQ’s and stuff” then by god Paizo had better get working on PF1.5 because there is even more thread demand for that!</p>Angel Hunter D wrote:Assuming anyone will do the wisest thing in their own assumes a lot and rarely happens. This thread continuing to pop up just shows that there are customers that want FAQS and stuff.
Presuming that you know a company’s industry better than they do assumes EVEN more, and quite arrogantly so I might add. My point is that if they want to give us FAQ’s, they will. They’ll do so on their timetable and not the one deemed best by the forum posters. If they don’t want to give us...dirtypool2019-12-16T17:07:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?Angel Hunter Dhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2022019-12-18T18:33:07Z2019-12-16T16:26:35Z<p>Assuming anyone will do the wisest thing in their own assumes a lot and rarely happens. This thread continuing to pop up just shows that there are customers that want FAQS and stuff.</p>Assuming anyone will do the wisest thing in their own assumes a lot and rarely happens. This thread continuing to pop up just shows that there are customers that want FAQS and stuff.Angel Hunter D2019-12-16T16:26:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Does anyone think Paizo should slow down a little?dirtypoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42qtd&page=5?Does-anyone-think-Paizo-should-slow-down-a#2012019-12-19T04:43:02Z2019-12-16T07:43:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Raven Black wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There is also the matter of getting FAQs, which is distinct from the pace of new books.</p>
<p>Though it is related. Producing FAQs actually helps support having a steady pace of quality releases.</p>
<p>Entertainment as a Service. What matters is the total consumer's experience.</p>
<p>And accurately gauging it and assessing what the winning strategies will be is complex and critical. Which puts real marketing abilities at a premium. </p>
<p>I guess it is a good thing that the powers that be at Paizo are Marketing people. </blockquote><p>How about we start trusting those people to do their jobs.
<p>We’ve all read your opinion about the need for FAQ’s and the value of FAQ’s and the impact of FAQ’s on other works. If everything you say is entirely accurate then they will clearly make the wisest call and do as you’ve suggested. If everything you say is not entirely accurate, then they will continue to publish new books and provide support for the old ones at a pace that makes sense to them.</p>
<p>Raising this thread from the dead every few months serves no purpose.</p>The Raven Black wrote:There is also the matter of getting FAQs, which is distinct from the pace of new books.
Though it is related. Producing FAQs actually helps support having a steady pace of quality releases.
Entertainment as a Service. What matters is the total consumer's experience.
And accurately gauging it and assessing what the winning strategies will be is complex and critical. Which puts real marketing abilities at a premium.
I guess it is a good thing that the powers that be at...dirtypool2019-12-16T07:43:57Z