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One of my players was a Red Mantis Assassin in Kingmaker, and was very disappointed when the prestige class was retconned to no longer be a spellcaster.
The fact that PF2e Red Mantis Assassins are spellcasters has made both me and my player incredibly happy. :D
Yes, when was it retconned?
Yup; the red mantis assassin has always been a spellcasting class, but still... glad we made players very happy! :-)
Okay, I feel like I'm living in an alternate world...
I specifically remember (granted this was ~8 years ago) running Kingmaker, my player being a Red Mantis, and updated Red Mantis rules coming out that didn't have spellcasting, and having a whole discussion about it...
Wasn't the Red Mantis PrC originally released as 3.5 material and then later updated to PF?
Now that I look at it, it definitely has casting, but then why do I remember having an issue with it before?
Bah, apparently my memory is going... >.>
EDIT: Did some digging, found the original 3.5 version, still confused. Maybe the discussion was about their spellcasting being pretty heavily nerfed? IDK. Serves me right for trusting decade-old memories. :P
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Yup; the red mantis assassin has always been a spellcasting class, but still... glad we made players very happy! :-)Okay, I feel like I'm living in an alternate world...
I specifically remember (granted this was ~8 years ago) running Kingmaker, my player being a Red Mantis, and updated Red Mantis rules coming out that didn't have spellcasting, and having a whole discussion about it...
Wasn't the Red Mantis PrC originally released as 3.5 material and then later updated to PF?
Now that I look at it, it definitely has casting, but then why do I remember having an issue with it before?
Bah, apparently my memory is going... >.>
EDIT: Did some digging, found the original 3.5 version, still confused. Maybe the discussion was about their spellcasting being pretty heavily nerfed? IDK. Serves me right for trusting decade-old memories. :P
Possibly a PC was using the vanilla Assassin PrC, which did go from spellcaster to non-spellcaster, instead?
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Possibly a PC was using the vanilla Assassin PrC, which did go from spellcaster to non-spellcaster, instead?
That was my guess too.
And on the subject of red mantis assassins making people happy, it's a small thing, but I'm really liking how red mantises reference a divine spellbook. It's not a big or mega-impactful part of the class but it feels really neat and thematic, referencing assassination techniques passed down by their god and all. Mondo cool.
Yeah, I love the idea of 'prayer books' for 'prepared divine casters,' even if the game hasn't traditionally had them. A priest (using the bard class as a chassis) chanting fervidly from a holy book as he inspires the cult attacking the PCs is always fun. It's fun to play with the sacred cows of the game and have divine casters or traditionally spontaneous casters finding a use for spellbooks, for instance, or a non-cleric using a holy symbol.