Which meta-region do you want to run in first?


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I'm currently doing a ton of prep for a Mwangi Expanse game, and curious where everyone else is looking like they'll wind up. Would love to be sold on the corners of the map I don't love as much!


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Easily the Impossible Lands. And specifically Nex, Geb, and the Mana Wastes. Jalmeray is cool and all, but I have been itching for more Nex/Geb stuff for ages.


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Well, by technicality of running Fall of Plaguestone first, it's likely that the campaign will at least start in Old Cheliax/Shining Kingdoms, though who knows where it'll go from there.

That said, I would love to run a High Seas campaign eventually, so I'm hopeful that the GMG has some kind of naval rules in there to support that.
(And of course, things like the pirate archetype in APG will also help.)

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One more vote for the Impossible Lands, though preferably as an AP


Honestly the Shining Kingdoms if I feel like do something old-school.


I'll start running AoA in 4 days, so I'm very hungry for more Old Cheliax detail. Also, I love Cheliax. But Isger will come in very handy, and Ravounel is frigging awesome (and...

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will come in handy as well in a couple months).

I love everything in the Inner Sea region, but I always go back to Varisia, so, the Saga Lands. I know people are tired of it, but it'll be interesting to see what Sorshen and Belimarius are getting up to, plus I want to see the backgrounds and the Runescarred archetype.

I'm also in love with Arabic and Muslim culture, and equally in love with the published Kelesh material and Keleshites in general, so I'll be happy to read more about them as well. As-salamu alaykum!

... Oh, and that's not a place, but I really really wanna see if there's any new development for my girl Arazni, of course!


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Impossible Lands will be cool, as we haven't had an AP there yet and there's SO MUCH material. Also, I like the Eastern Africa high fantasy city aesthetic a lot.

I want to see what's going on in Sarkorsis (formerly known as the Worldwound) now that the demons are (mostly) gone.


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OmegaZ wrote:

Impossible Lands will be cool, as we haven't had an AP there yet and there's SO MUCH material. Also, I like the Eastern Africa high fantasy city aesthetic a lot.

I want to see what's going on in Sarkorsis (formerly known as the Worldwound) now that the demons are (mostly) gone.

I don’t know if “mostly gone” is true, they just aren’t getting reinforcements anymore. The land itself ks still massively blighted and corrupted, and I think there’s all of one city.


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Being that my campaign is gonna be about the Sleepless Detective Agency, Eye of Dread all the way. I love me some spooky times.


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eastern casmaron, tian xia, southern avistani, kyonin


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The Shining Kingdoms has one of my favorite setting countries, Andoran which I admit I kind of NEED to see a positive take on democracy in these times... consortium troubles aside :) However, I see a war brewing for them eventually... Cheliax seems weaker than it was (key word seems) and that might be tempting for a young republic that has lived in fear of a devil plagued country that still considers them a wayward province.

It could get ugly.

And it looks like Kyonin and the Five Kings Mountains are opening up... and I always thought they really needed more development and definitely more interaction/influence with other countries around them. Honestly, these two non human ruled nations getting a breath of fresh air intrigues me. The Elves are rightly spooked by the return of the Whispering Tyrant, and about tired of Treerazor. Former knights of Mendev have come to help with the latter, while the Kyonin elves go out beyond their borders to play diplomat and seek alliances because of the former could be great stuff. Heck, I'm half way through playing in Second Darkness and boy do the elves need a redemption angle ;)

I see loads of potential here, and while I'm as rar rar 'human potential' as the next fantasy lover, the idea of the elves and dwarves taking the lead on some things intrigues me.

Runner up for me meta region wise would have to be the Mwangi expanse.
A new nation breaking the chains of it's former oppressive colonial identity and seeking to forge a new identity? Go Vidrian! This could be a homeland worth fighting for!

Nantambu I knew little of, but the short blurbs I have read recently make me love the place. The Magaambya Academy teaching wizards with an emphasis not just on the magic, but "Who can I aid with this magic?" is wonderful. I'm a sucker for knights of the round table stuff at times, and this might just be the arcane version of that but wrapped in its own rich culture. So that's two nations in one meta region that hook me.

The Child God of Mzali freaks me out, but that's a GOOD thing.

After that, it fragments even more in preferences.

Poor Nirmathus in the "Eye of Dread" Meta region WAS one of my favorite settings for a group but I'm going to have to drop back and think on what to do there. Poor place is now getting it from ALL sides.

Out of the Shining Road countries, I am intrigued most by Qadira and more specifically the empire east of it... but that's leaving the regions listed.
Odd. I don't like deserts but I love the old 1001 tales stuff


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At least for me, Broken Lands and Saga Lands, specifically the band of countries from Lands of the Linnorm Kings over the the Sarkoris Scar.


My vote is for the Eye of Dread, mainly to see how long the orcs in Belkzen can keep up their "We ain't bendin' a knee to no one!" act. :)


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I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

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David knott 242 wrote:

I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

Why in the world would you want to leave?


zimmerwald1915 wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

Why in the world would you want to leave?

The Magaambya, judging by the Lost Omens World Guide and previews for the Character Guide, is an organization with inter-regional reach, so going places isn't so strange for Magaambya adventurers. Besides, "elsewhere" could mean other parts of the Mwangi Expanse. And given that they'd be students of magic, Nex might be a sensible destination.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

Why in the world would you want to leave?

Maybe the PCs don't want to leave -- but as a duty to their school, they need to go elsewhere to resolve some problem. Also, the common origin and the theme of the PCs being "strangers in a strange land" works wonders for party unity.

I also like the idea of the non-European analogs being explorers instead of the ones whose lands are being explored by outsiders.

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David knott 242 wrote:
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

Why in the world would you want to leave?

Maybe the PCs don't want to leave -- but as a duty to their school, they need to go elsewhere to resolve some problem. Also, the common origin and the theme of the PCs being "strangers in a strange land" works wonders for party unity.

I also like the idea of the non-European analogs being explorers instead of the ones whose lands are being explored by outsiders.

There's nothing interesting or exploitable in Avistan, though.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
There's nothing interesting or exploitable in Avistan, though.

You're anti-Avistan bias is not canonical. Garund is generally more magically advanced, but not vastly so and that's the only area they seem notably better at.

There are a whole lot of interesting and exploitable resources in Avistan, starting with the Silver Mount in Numeria and generally going down in weirdness from there.


zimmerwald1915 wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

Why in the world would you want to leave?

Maybe the PCs don't want to leave -- but as a duty to their school, they need to go elsewhere to resolve some problem. Also, the common origin and the theme of the PCs being "strangers in a strange land" works wonders for party unity.

I also like the idea of the non-European analogs being explorers instead of the ones whose lands are being explored by outsiders.

There's nothing interesting or exploitable in Avistan, though.

David never said it necessarily had to be Avistan-- there's much more of Garund, not to mention the entire rest of the world besides those continents.

Also, from what we've seen that doesn't seem accurate. As others have pointed out, the technology in Numeria is pretty interesting, for instance. Also, the LOWG implies that the Magaambya is helping in the fight against the Whispering Tyrant (since they're listed as a faction in the Eye of Dread). So even if it was Avistan, and even if there was nothing interesting or exploitable, there might be good reasons to go there. If Tar-Baphon conquered Avistan, what's to say he wouldn't keep going and invade the rest of the world?


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

Why in the world would you want to leave?
Paizo Blog He's a Magic Man, She's a Magic Man! wrote:
In addition to their heavy presence in the Mwangi Expanse, the Magaambya has begun setting up satellite colleges to the north—after the explosion (many times literal) of arcane events and anomalies that have occurred in Avistan, from the closure of the Worldwound to the appearance of New Thassilon to the destruction caused by the Whispering Tyrant, the scholars of the south have decided it’s about time they go see what on earth is happening up there!

Link.

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Magaambyans are assisting the Knights of Lastwall in Vellumis, helping clear demons out of the Sarkoris Scar, and keeping tabs on the New Thassilonians' acclimation to the modern world.
Plus whatever else you want to come up with! They've got plenty of reason to help out all over :)


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Andrew Mullen wrote:

Magaambyans are assisting the Knights of Lastwall in Vellumis, helping clear demons out of the Sarkoris Scar, and keeping tabs on the New Thassilonians' acclimation to the modern world.

Plus whatever else you want to come up with! They've got plenty of reason to help out all over :)

One of my first ideas of why the Magaambya messed about in New Thassilon is to understand the key differences between the Thassilonian and Magaambyan magical traditions and theories. Thassilonian magic was some of the most advanced magic on Golarion pre-earthfall and Magaambyan magic was the some of the first advanced magic to arise after, so comparing and contrasting could lead to great breakthroughs.

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If Tar-Baphon conquered Avistan, what's to say he wouldn't keep going and invade the rest of the world?

He's a laughable non-threat to a properly developed country and wouldn't be in a position to invade anyone other than his backward neighbors. Who can fall before him and good riddance.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Darth Game Master wrote:
If Tar-Baphon conquered Avistan, what's to say he wouldn't keep going and invade the rest of the world?
He's a laughable non-threat to a properly developed country and wouldn't be in a position to invade anyone other than his backward neighbors. Who can fall before him and good riddance.

Again, this statement is factually false and non-canonical. There's nobody but Geb in the entirety of Northern Garund who has a prayer against the Whispering Tyrant in a straight conflict, and he could conquer even somewhere like Nex fairly readily if he put his mind to it.

I mean, he's not unbeatable, but the way to beat him involves super high level characters, and Garund doesn't have notably more of those than Avistan does. Other places might (though Tian Xia doesn't seem to have any more of them either), but not anywhere that we've actually got details on.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

I rather like the idea of starting the party out as students at the Magaambya and then sending them on a mission elsewhere.

Why in the world would you want to leave?
Paizo Blog He's a Magic Man, She's a Magic Man! wrote:
In addition to their heavy presence in the Mwangi Expanse, the Magaambya has begun setting up satellite colleges to the north—after the explosion (many times literal) of arcane events and anomalies that have occurred in Avistan, from the closure of the Worldwound to the appearance of New Thassilon to the destruction caused by the Whispering Tyrant, the scholars of the south have decided it’s about time they go see what on earth is happening up there!
Link.

This could be very useful to me as someone who loves Andoran. While there's some debate over how many magical schools Andoran has, apparently whatever ones they have aren't impressive enough to be mentioned. There is, in short, a gap in a magic arms race between they and Cheliax. It might be interesting to see them try to build a new academy, only to find help from a source they didn't expect.

Imagine a small town on Andoran's coast about to be chosen as the site for a new Magical University, but the main wizards advising (and maybe teaching) are a Kyonin elf (Hoping to prepare a buffer against the Whispering Tyrant in a generation), a Korvosan Academae professor (Who teaches a more ruthless and perhaps selfish style) and a Magaambya magician (Who thinks the Andorans need to make sure the wizards adapt an attitude of community minded wizards rather than soldiers or ladder climbers).

With PCs hired as bodyguards for wizards during construction and their own actions helping influence which professor/adviser has the biggest influence.

Satellite magic colleges could be the gift that keeps on giving no matter what country you base things in :)

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Ridge wrote:
This could be very useful to me as someone who loves Andoran. While there's some debate over how many magical schools Andoran has, apparently whatever ones they have aren't impressive enough to be mentioned. There is, in short, a gap in a magic arms race between they and Cheliax. It might be interesting to see them try to build a new academy, only to find help from a source they didn't expect.

There are no listed magical schools in the Cheliax book either. And looking at high level spellcasters in the respective books, Andoran actually looks to have an advantage in Wizards, if anything.

In fact, the Almas University Provost is a 17th level Wizard. Which, to me, seems to indicate that Almas University, though not primarily or exclusively a magic school, probably has a fairly robust magical curriculum available to students who are interested.

Which is not to say that the Magaambya's aid wouldn't be both useful and appreciated, but there's no real evidence of the disparity in resources you're citing here.


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Ridge wrote:
This could be very useful to me as someone who loves Andoran. While there's some debate over how many magical schools Andoran has, apparently whatever ones they have aren't impressive enough to be mentioned. There is, in short, a gap in a magic arms race between they and Cheliax. It might be interesting to see them try to build a new academy, only to find help from a source they didn't expect.

There are no listed magical schools in the Cheliax book either. And looking at high level spellcasters in the respective books, Andoran actually looks to have an advantage in Wizards, if anything.

In fact, the Almas University Provost is a 17th level Wizard. Which, to me, seems to indicate that Almas University, though not primarily or exclusively a magic school, probably has a fairly robust magical curriculum available to students who are interested.

Which is not to say that the Magaambya's aid wouldn't be both useful and appreciated, but there's no real evidence of the disparity in resources you're citing here.

I was thinking of the Egorian Academy Infernal Binder School chiefly.

I think it's mentioned in the Inner Sea Primer

But to be fair, that is the only one I can think of by name so I maybe reading too much into it and some of the players guides to Cheliax based APs :o Wouldn't be the first time I've earned a silver in jumping to conclusions

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Ridge wrote:

I was thinking of the Egorian Academy Infernal Binder School chiefly.

I think it's mentioned in the Inner Sea Primer

Gotcha. Frankly, I'd assume that both have several magical schools. It's possible more of the Chelaxian ones have been mentioned...but three APs have been set in Cheliax whereas zero have been set in Andoran. Cheliax having more published content is almost inevitable.

Ridge wrote:
But to be fair, that is the only one I can think of by name so I maybe reading too much into it and some of the players guides to Cheliax based APs :o Wouldn't be the first time I've earned a silver in jumping to conclusions

Yeah, I think any country that had a weakness like this would have it mentioned (for example, there are few Arcane casters or Witches in the Land of the Linnorm Kings), and it's not for either Andoran or Cheliax, so I assume they have rough parity with most countries in terms of arcane spellcasters (Cheliax may have a slight advantage in Divine ones, as the Church of Asmodeus is a definite thing).


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ANother vote for the Impossible Lands. I'm curious what "Mana" in "Mana Wastes" refers to in setting, but the entire region seems cool to me.


zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Darth Game Master wrote:
If Tar-Baphon conquered Avistan, what's to say he wouldn't keep going and invade the rest of the world?
He's a laughable non-threat to a properly developed country and wouldn't be in a position to invade anyone other than his backward neighbors. Who can fall before him and good riddance.

tsk tsk tsk.

Avistan's southern neighbor is not that developed or unified enough to deal with him.
Neither is Avistan's Eastern Neighbor

But then again Garund and CAsmaron might have their own monster lords locked away within its own shores, in which case as you said....
No main villain would stop after conquering a part of a planet, they would go for an empire. Stand together or fall apart....
( This does not include the Pit of God of destruction)

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