Need help with a new character! (Possible Sylph sorcerer storm blood / oracle of winds / mystic theurge


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I just need to know a) how viable this is; b) if I go sylph can I still do it if I choose a different racial package (IE a sub-race of sylph)

Also if you need further details...13th level, 20 point buy, anything in the PRD and d20pfsrd.com is allowed that isn't third party.


13th level: sorcerer 4 / oracle 4 / mystic theurge 5. That's 5th level spells, the same as if you were a bard or other 6-level caster but with a lot more spell slots. Caster level 9, possibly 11 in one of them with magical knack; don't go for blasting, and spell resistance is going to be a problem. You can be a decent buffer and support type though.

At 15th if you have 3 metamagic feats you can take spell perfection (chain lightning) or similar if you want to plan for being a blaster from then.

Sylph subraces are still sylphs, you should be OK to take sylph racial feats or whatever.


I wasn't going to worry that much about meta-magic since I got enough money for rods. Also I thought I'd have more if I was 5/5, and probably do SOME blasting because the subrace I chose for Sylph grants me shocking grasp AND benefits me for having stormborn bloodline. That and +1 to electrical attacks.


Spell perfection is worth aiming for, and honestly - you should try to never be in a position to cast shocking grasp. -2 Con and sucky BAB is trying to tell you to stay away from that sort of thing.

Also you may want to apply more than one metamagic to some spell, empowered and piercing for example. Rods can't do that.


I agree with Avr
Also what would you be building to with your feats otherwise?


Avr,

I figured I'd need some help. Also I figured I'd try to even out my con at the expense of my Str score.

Also did not know that you can't use more than two rods at a time...but good to know.

Chromantic,

I was considering Spell Penetration, and Greater Spell Penetration (pretty sure we'll start running into some SR creatures) along with Spell Focus and Great Spell Focus.


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A) At high levels this will work. At low levels it will be utter maoschism. As avr points out it's well into its groove by 13th, but at something like 9th level you'll still be on 2nd level spells while a Wizard has 5th levle spells.

B) If you're going with the Stormborne bloodline, then the Stormsoul is the obvious choice. It literally gets a bonus for having that bloodline!

Thomas Seitz wrote:
That and +1 to electrical attacks.

Unfortunately the Stormborn bloodline only improves your spell DC's, not damage, and damage is your problem. Your unfavorable multiclassing really hurts you in this regard. To rectify that I recommend taking the Blood Havoc bloodline mutation and the Spell Specialization feat to help compensate for this. Empower Spell would be very helpful as well.

At high levels, using Magical Lineage and Spell Perfection on Chain Lighting would allow you to cast Quickened Chain Lightning as a swift action using only standard 6th level slots. Very nice for electric blasters, letting you blast while casting another spell on the same turn. You can take the Exemplar of Mystic Secrets trait, along with the Additional Traits feat, to take both Magical Knack and Magical Lineage.


Dasrak wrote:


B) If you're going with the Stormborne bloodline, then the Stormsoul is the obvious choice. It literally gets a bonus for having that bloodline!

Uhm yeah! That's EXACTLY what I'm doing. :)

Dasrak wrote:
Unfortunately the Stormborn bloodline only improves your spell DC's, not damage, and damage is your problem. Your unfavorable multiclassing really hurts you in this regard. To rectify that I recommend taking the Blood Havoc bloodline mutation and the Spell Specialization feat to help compensate for this. Empower Spell would be very helpful as well.

While I hadn't considered getting much in the way of metamagic feats (always thought that's what rods were for) the others will DEFINITELY be on my list.

Dasrak wrote:


At high levels, using Magical Lineage and Spell Perfection on Chain Lighting would allow you to cast Quickened Chain Lightning as a swift action using only standard 6th level slots. Very nice for electric blasters, letting you blast while casting another spell on the same turn. You can take the Exemplar of Mystic Secrets trait, along with the Additional Traits feat, to take both Magical Knack and Magical Lineage.

Unfortunately I don't think my DM/GM will let me take additional trait feats. But I am definetely considering Magical Lineage and Spell Perfection with possibly having Intensify Spell IF I can pull that off.

But I'll keep the other stuff in mind. Thank you Dasrak!


Noticed something never mentioned. Mystic Thuerge ability to share spell slots is only works if one casting class has to prepare spells.Neither Oracle or Sorcerer have to. So you are hurting yourself playing those to classes together. Instead of Oracle maybe consider Druid they have lots of electrical based spells. Or Wizard instead of Sorcerer. Either way one class should switch to a prepared caster.
You don't gain higher level class abilities once you hit thuerge. Fourth level for both classes. Something else to consider. Oracles and Sorcerers don't get their second level spells until fourth level. You will be 9th by the time you qualify for thuerge. A straight wizard,cleric and druid all get their first 5th level spell at 9th.
I get what you are trying to do here. You have a theme. Just some themes and concepts seem a great idea but in play don't always work.


Derek,

I'm aware they don't mesh as well. But two things: 1) We already have a druid. In fact said player's druid is the THIRD druid he's played since he started doing druid. Now I could do Wizard sure...but I'm not really ready to start dropping my focus on pure CHA full casters. So I HAVE considered going Arcanist, but it's still the same problem I face doing anything other than oracle or sorcerer.

Secondly, I'm not 100% sure I need to be at full blasting capacity IF I have scrolls I can use that only require me to make caster level checks IF they are on my list. Is it easier? Probably not but it still works better than dividing my focus between say Cha and Int or Cha and Wis. Especially since I want to invest heavily in one use items by the dozen if not by a truck load. But we'll see.

Thank you for your input Derek.


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The Combined Spells class feature isn't very relevant. It's very rare that you'll want to spend a 4th level spell slot with your arcane class to cast a 3rd level divine spell or vice-versa, and even less so since you're spontaneous on both sides. I've run Mystic Theurge NPC's a few times, and have never had occasion to use the Combined Spells. However, the very delayed spell level progression is a substantial issue. I'm not sure from the context of this thread whether you're starting at higher levels or playing through the intervening levels, but it bears repeating that Sorc/Oracle Theurge is just plain nasty to play at low levels.

Scrolls are not useful for blasting. They're expensive and use minimum caster level and DC, so they tend to deal far less damage. If you want to blast, make sure the spells are on your list of spells known. Scrolls are much better when reserved for utility spells.


Dasrak,

We'll doing Giantslayer, Book 5, Anvil of Fire. So we'll be fighting a LOT of fire Giants. (Plus probably a few dragons.) So we're starting out at 13th level. So I don't see this being as...difficult as say what you're suggesting for say if this was Tomb of the Ice Queen (which starts at 11th) or even the previous one which I think was only 9th.

But thanks for the tip on combined spells.

I was going with utility spells, sure...but I also figured if there are things that are immune to electricity, I might want other spells just in case.

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