# Do Mountain Stoutness and Toughness stack?

### Rules Discussion

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Does having both feats simply grant you Mountain Stoutness' listed benefit (-4 decrease to recovery check DCs) or does it grant you that AND Toughness' benefit for a total of -5 decrease to recovery check DCs?

I'm preeeetty sure they do stack! That could be really strong since there's not many ways o improve those rolls.

They should stack. Absolutely nothing prevents them from doing so.

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They should stack. Absolutely nothing prevents them from doing so.

Except for the interpretation that Mountain Stoutness' expanded bonus is already accounting for the Toughness' feats benefits.

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So the HP benefits are clear, you add them together (ie you get your level of HP twice).

In the book Mountain's Stoutness states
"If you also have Toughness Feat, the Hit Points gained from it and this feat are cumulative, and you decrease the DC of recovery checks by 4"

I read this to be the result of the combination and not an in addition to. If something "stacked" the book has other places indicated "in addition to" language (for example the HP wording of "cumulative").

Mountain's Stoutness on its own is -1 to DC.
Toughness on its own is -1 to DC.

A "stack" scenario would just be "you get -2".

At least, that is how I interpret it.

I am with Rhyst, I think the -4 is the combined benefit of both feats.

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So, just to be clear, Rhyst and Blackest Sheep both are saying it's -4 for both feats, whereas ChibiNyan and DeadManWalking think that it IS -5 for both feats?

Re-reading it, I think you're right and it's -4. I skimmed a tad too quickly there. I need to get more sleep...