Summons with -1 level


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Are there any creatures with -1 level or do I take a 0th level creature and apply the weak template?


Yes, there are level -1 creatures. This include very weak monsters like guard dogs or he lost basic goblin warriors.


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Giant rats. Stirges (Bloodseekers). Giant centipedes. And more.

Those giant centipedes have a nasty poison. We played a PF2 game last night with 2 PCs, and one of them would for sure have died from the giant centipede poison if his pal hadn't been trained in medicine with a healer's kit and also a potion of minor healing.

Or maybe it's just that all poisons are downright nasty now. Probably didn't help that the victim only had a 10 CON and +3 Fort save either.


Thanks, but that leads me to ask if i can summon weak 0th level creatures as well.


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AFAICT, there are no zero-level creatures. In the bestiary, you'll find a gap between "Creature -1" and "Creature 1". I believe "Creature -1" is more like a 1/2 level creature than anything else.

I further believe that you can only summon creatures that actually have stat blocks in the bestiary, and that have the appropriate creature type for your summon spell. I recall no talk of applying a "weak" template to summon weaker versions of stronger creatures.

Obviously as soon as we get more books with more critters in them, the options for summoning will naturally expand. Although your DM would be well within his rights to limit your choice to creatures you know about, have seen or can research. Recall Knowledge checks are your friend.


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There are certainly level 0 creatures in the Bestiary. 8, in fact.


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Ooops! Missed em. Which ones?
It doesn't change the answer about summoning critters with a hypothetical "weak" template.

Summon spells don't appear to reference zero-level creatures at all. How curious.


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Page 350 of the Bestiary lists monsters by level.

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