Iomedae no longer Sun Domain?


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


Iomedae previously had the Sun domain, but now that seems to be exclusively Sarenrae's. Is this a lore change? An oversight?

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Strill wrote:
Iomedae previously had the Sun domain, but now that seems to be exclusively Sarenrae's. Is this a lore change? An oversight?

It's a lore adjustment, I suppose. Iomedae never really had much of a tie to the sun. She mostly had that domain 'cause it has a lot of spells that are very good against undead, and that fit very well into the lore of her association with the Shining Crusade... but even then it was a kinda strange element that never made too much sense.

Domains work kinda differently in 2nd edition, and we adjusted a fair number of them around to make more sense for the deities and their themes. Iomedae's role in the setting, her history and lore and all that, haven't changed.


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James Jacobs wrote:
Iomedae never really had much of a tie to the sun. She mostly had that domain 'cause it has a lot of spells that are very good against undead, and that fit very well into the lore of her association with the Shining Crusade

I could be mistaken, but I don't think there's a single Iomedean in the entire Hell's Vengeance AP that has the sun domain. Easy to understand why it might get dropped for 2E. That said, it's useful to sprinkle some around if one of that AP's villain PCs is a necromancer!


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Midnight Anarch wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Iomedae never really had much of a tie to the sun. She mostly had that domain 'cause it has a lot of spells that are very good against undead, and that fit very well into the lore of her association with the Shining Crusade
I could be mistaken, but I don't think there's a single Iomedean in the entire Hell's Vengeance AP that has the sun domain. Easy to understand why it might get dropped for 2E. That said, it's useful to sprinkle some around if one of that AP's villain PCs is a necromancer!

The sun domain is a really good pick for PCs though. Fire shield as a domain spell saved my cleric's life more times than I ever thought possible.


Similarly, Pharasma lost the Water domain. It was always a really weird fit for her in the first place, so it won't really be missed.


Doktor Weasel wrote:
Similarly, Pharasma lost the Water domain. It was always a really weird fit for her in the first place, so it won't really be missed.

I always assumed water had something to do with her portfolio over births, or like the water is like the cycle of souls. idk. bit I agree it wasn't integral to Pharasma even if mentally I had somehow justified.

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Doktor Weasel wrote:
Similarly, Pharasma lost the Water domain. It was always a really weird fit for her in the first place, so it won't really be missed.

I believe it was related to both her role as goddess of births, and the river of souls.

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Paladinosaur wrote:
Doktor Weasel wrote:
Similarly, Pharasma lost the Water domain. It was always a really weird fit for her in the first place, so it won't really be missed.
I believe it was related to both her role as goddess of births, and the river of souls.

Yep.

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Paladinosaur wrote:
Doktor Weasel wrote:
Similarly, Pharasma lost the Water domain. It was always a really weird fit for her in the first place, so it won't really be missed.
I believe it was related to both her role as goddess of births, and the river of souls.

That was my assumption as well, with several mythical underworld schemes involving a river separating the living world from the world of the dead (whether that river be the Greek Styx or Egyptian Duat or whatever), so, in my head, it fit, but it seemed to get dropped.

I also got the impression that the domains were parsed out in such a way that each one got used a time or two (so that someone playing a Cleric had more than one god to choose from if they really, really wanted a particular Domain), so that Shelyn had Air (which, other than perhaps an association with music, she didn't have much to do with), for example, in case you really didn't care for Gozreh, and totally had to have the Air Domain to fit your theme / concept. Ditto Abadar and Earth, or Iomedae and Sun, I imagine.

I do much prefer the notion of either creating gods specifically around the 3.5 Domains, *or* creating specific 'domains' for the current gods (actual domains related to stuff like dreams for Desna, pain for Zon-Kuthon, etc.). That's something PF2 seems to have done well, eliminating some of the kludginess of various gods having domains that don't really seem to fit them (Urgathoa has Strength and War? Why? What does either have to do with disease, gluttony or undeath?).

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