Archetypes and Assurance


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I'm a wizard. I'm trained in Arcana.

I'm a scholar. I'm trained in Arcana, Nature, Occultism, or Religion -and- get the Assurance feat with that skill. So now I'm in the anomalous position of being Assured in, say, Occultism, while only being ordinarily trained in the thing I'm supposed to be best at.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to let me apply the Assurance feat to Arcana, Nature, Occultism, or Religion, independently of the skill chosen through Scholar?


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Tarondor wrote:

I'm a wizard. I'm trained in Arcana.

I'm a scholar. I'm trained in Arcana, Nature, Occultism, or Religion -and- get the Assurance feat with that skill. So now I'm in the anomalous position of being Assured in, say, Occultism, while only being ordinarily trained in the thing I'm supposed to be best at.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to let me apply the Assurance feat to Arcana, Nature, Occultism, or Religion, independently of the skill chosen through Scholar?

Page 26 of the CRB says "If your class would make you trained in a skill you’re already trained in (typically due to your background), you can select another skill to become trained in." That means you can just take Arcana and Assurance (Arcana) from Scholar, then pick something else to replace the Arcana from being a Wizard.

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Not that you particularly want to use assurance with a skill you plan on bringing to legendary AND have a high ability stat in.

Assurance is best with skills that you don't invest the ability stats in. For you, having assurance in Religion or Nature is better than Occultism or Arcana, because you likely have a significantly lower wis than int.

FWIW, Assurance in Medicine with 10 Wis is great starting at level 3; always succeed in at least the DC 15 check. Lv6, get expert Medicine and auto succeed at the dc 20. 14th with Master, auto succeed at the dc 30. If you somehow get to level 22, with legendary Medicine auto succeed at the DC 40.

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