Pony becomes a Horse when Mature?


Rules Discussion

Sovereign Court

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Horse
Your companion is a horse, pony, or similar equine.
Size Medium or Large
pg 216

So it seems as you can select a medium sized companion to represent a pony mount for a small character.

However:
Mature Animal Companions
... If your companion is Medium or smaller,
it grows by one size.
pg 214

This is not written as optional, so you can only have a medium sized horse companion if you don't advance it at all with additional feats?

This seems unintended, is there something I am missing?

The Exchange

Bumping for interest


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It's true, RAW do appear to suggest that a young pony progressing to mature would go from medium to large.

Obviously this is incorrect, as ponies are different breeds. They don't grow up to be horses.

I think any reasonable GM would allow you to override this rule with the sensible behaviour.


That seems to be a pretty reasonable houserule to me, too. You don't get any bonuses or penalties for going up a size catagory, either, so it won't even change the pony's stats. The only possible thing it may change is area, which might come up in the unlikely event that your pony's butt is in the last square of a fireball spell or the like.

Then again, size seems to work on different assumptions in PF2E, too. It's less about how much actual space a creature takes up as it is how much space does it take for them to stand in one spot, i.e, lots of gargantuan creatures have the same space they take up even though their actual measurements are pretty different. Perhaps having a pony still fits in that context?


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The rule would really only make sense of there was a corresponding rule stating that young animal companions are one size category smaller than their mature version, and if the stats for creatures reflected that. But that doesn't line up with nature.


sadie wrote:
The rule would really only make sense of there was a corresponding rule stating that young animal companions are one size category smaller than their mature version, and if the stats for creatures reflected that. But that doesn't line up with nature.

It'd also make mounts pretty pointless as animal companions since you wouldn't be able to ride them until they've matured.


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Perpdepog wrote:

That seems to be a pretty reasonable houserule to me, too. You don't get any bonuses or penalties for going up a size catagory, either, so it won't even change the pony's stats. The only possible thing it may change is area, which might come up in the unlikely event that your pony's butt is in the last square of a fireball spell or the like.

Then again, size seems to work on different assumptions in PF2E, too. It's less about how much actual space a creature takes up as it is how much space does it take for them to stand in one spot, i.e, lots of gargantuan creatures have the same space they take up even though their actual measurements are pretty different. Perhaps having a pony still fits in that context?

Actually you'd lose a substantial amount of carrying capacity if your money stayed medium, but that is probably fine if the rider is small.


Captain Morgan wrote:
Perpdepog wrote:

That seems to be a pretty reasonable houserule to me, too. You don't get any bonuses or penalties for going up a size catagory, either, so it won't even change the pony's stats. The only possible thing it may change is area, which might come up in the unlikely event that your pony's butt is in the last square of a fireball spell or the like.

Then again, size seems to work on different assumptions in PF2E, too. It's less about how much actual space a creature takes up as it is how much space does it take for them to stand in one spot, i.e, lots of gargantuan creatures have the same space they take up even though their actual measurements are pretty different. Perhaps having a pony still fits in that context?

Actually you'd lose a substantial amount of carrying capacity if your money stayed medium, but that is probably fine if the rider is small.

Oh, you're right. I totally forgot about bulk limits. I think for my piece of mind I'll just imagine a pony standing between two squares and call it a day though, and perhaps we'll get an errata on this in future saying that going up a size category is optional.

Scarab Sages

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Or due to the magic of the universe, It just becomes a Large Pony


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Animal companions in PF1 had a way to replace a size increase with other ability score increases, for players who think that their animal companions are already big enough. I am surprised that PF2 did not reproduce this.

Scarab Sages

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David knott 242 wrote:

Animal companions in PF1 had a way to replace a size increase with other ability score increases, for players who think that their animal companions are already big enough. I am surprised that PF2 did not reproduce this.

My generic response to "Why was X not included" is usually "Word Count"

I look to seeing more Animal Companion options in the next APG. Maybe some may make it to the Gamemaster guide


That and PF2E is much much more tightly controlling stat increases because bonuses are so much smaller in this system than in the previous. Given the option of granting an extra point of AC and bump to a reflex save, or making an animal bigger and easier to smack with an AOE ability I think a large number of people would choose to go the former route.
I do recognize that horses/ponies are in a bit of an odd space since they are primarily going to be used as mounts, but bumping a stat for not taking a size increase has the end result of making a pony, in many ways, better than a horse.

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