Unconventional Weaponry + Unconventional Expertise = What?

[Bramble Knight]

Okay, I know there are similar feats for a few ancestries, but I'm looking at the human one specifically 'cause that's what's confused me. These are both Heritage Feats. The first one has this bit

"You gain access to that weapon, and for the purpose of determining your proficiency, that weapon is a martial weapon."

And the second one has this bit

"Whenever you gain a class feature that grants you expert or greater proficiency in certain weapons, you also gain that proficiency in the weapon you chose for Unconventional Weaponry."

This is a touch confusing to me. The second one implies that you can't get expert or higher with one of those Advanced Weapons unless you take it... but the language on the first suggests that it should be enough to make the weapon count as martial, and thus anything that gives you a higher proficiency in all martial weapons should be targeted by it.

Am I missing something here? Does the second feat close a loophole for other classes, or was I reading the first feat too broadly?

[Yako Zenko]

It matters if you chose an Advanced weapon in Unconventional Weaponry, are playing a class that doesn't become proficient with martial, and took the general feat Weapon Proficiency to become proficient in martial.

Without Unconventional Expetise, that weapon your burned 2 feats to become trained in, would never become more than trained. With Expertise, it now increases to expert when your other weapon types do. (And to Master if they ever go to Master, legendary if any class other fighter ever goes legendary, and doesn't give proficiency with all martial weapons)

It's a niche case, but it exists, and helps future proof.

(I can see some future Elven weapon with Finesse showing up as advanced that a rogue wants, as an example future proofing.)

[NemoNoName]

It also doesn't give you special critical effects.

[Corvo Spiritwind]

NemoNoName wrote:

It also doesn't give you special critical effects.

Are special critical effects only usable by specific classes and not everyone?

[Paradozen]

Corvo Spiritwind wrote:

NemoNoName wrote:

It also doesn't give you special critical effects.

Are special critical effects only usable by specific classes and not everyone?

You need an ability that says you can use them. Often through a class feature (like bard weapon expert) or feat (like monk brawling focus), though you can also get them through 5th level ancestry feats that give you them (though I don't see one for humans).

EDIT: Also, they can be conditional. I just noticed bard weapon expertise only grants critical specializations while you have an active composition up.