Anyone recommend taking Assurance with Athetlics when building a Flurry of Manuevers Monk?
from a quick glance and a discussion we had earlier here in the forums, it seems a reliable way to get off some 3rd/4th maneuvers vs easy (level -1/2) targets if you target their weak saves (so, no grabbing the ogre, no tripping the fairy, but fine the other way around)
but for 3rd action on a maneuver monk i like Whiring throw much better than an end-of-turn flurry of maneuvers since it actually bypasses MAP altogether (it's similar to the Barbarian Thrash, a non-MAP finisher for maneuvers)
Sweet I didn't know I could actually move, grapple, then whirling throw with no MAP that looks like fun.
Would you ever grapple and trip with the flurry of Manuevers? How would that work, enemy would have both the tripped negatives and grabbed negatives, so enemy is still grabbed while being tripped?
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Bruno Breakbone, a handsome and beautiful tet--er-- monk, is waiting for someone to compile the average saves of monsters from Bestiary.
Until then, here is comparison of Athletics skill and Assurance vs FORT and REF saves based on the playtest monster statistics.
Please note: Class-specific ways to boost your athletics skill (like Barbarian's Furious Bully class feat) are not included.
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Bruno Breakbone, a handsome and beautiful tet--er-- monk, is waiting for someone to compile the average saves of monsters from Bestiary.
Until then, here is comparison of Athletics skill and Assurance vs FORT and REF saves based on the playtest monster statistics.
Please note: Class-specific ways to boost your athletics skill (like Barbarian's Furious Bully class feat) are not included.
The lovely tqomins has done this already!
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The lovely tqomins has done this already!Bruno Breakbone, a handsome and beautiful tet--er-- monk, is waiting for someone to compile the average saves of monsters from Bestiary.
Until then, here is comparison of Athletics skill and Assurance vs FORT and REF saves based on the playtest monster statistics.
Please note: Class-specific ways to boost your athletics skill (like Barbarian's Furious Bully class feat) are not included.
It doesn't have Fort/Ref listed individually on that sheet, but looking at the medians for Fort and Ref saves, it hits the median only on creatures about 2-4 levels lower, getting closer to 3-5 by higher levels. However, if you can intuit that Fort or Ref is a weak save it gets better, as it hits the median weak save on average 0-1 level lower, though by high levels it gets closer to 1-2 levels lower. Not terrible, as a third action, since if it doesn't hit at least you know not to try it next round, but tripping or grappling a minion enemy, which is what it'd be most useful for, doesn't seem like a huge win.
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Bruno Breakbone, a handsome and beautiful monk, took the FORT and REF saves by CR data tqomins collected, averaged them, and updated spreadsheet.
Athletics vs FORT and REF defense (Bestiary 1)
From CR 4 and above, Trip will be the easier maneuver to succeed at as the REF save lags behind the FORT save.
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Bruno Breakbone, a handsome and beautiful monk, took the FORT and REF saves by CR data tqomins collected, averaged them, and updated spreadsheet.
Athletics vs FORT and REF defense (Bestiary 1)
From CR 4 and above, Trip will be the easier maneuver to succeed at as the REF save lags behind the FORT save.
What this tells me is that REF is, almost always, the lower save? That's incredible. Where does Will save rank?
