Dueling Swords


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Can't seem to find 'em in the core book. There are rough approximations for them in the longsword, rapier, katana (more or less) and elven curve blade; but none that fits all the widgets that the dueling sword did lat edition.

Is this due to come out in a campaign guide, already out elsewhere, or is there somewhere in the book that spells out just what the Aldori swords are assumed to be in this edition?

Grand Lodge

The swordlord archetype is in the LOWG, but I don't see the sword itself. How much does one cost?

Also, if you have one but aren't trained, does it just act like a standard longsword?


It is there on page 28 of the Lost Omens World Guide. 20 GP, 1d8 slashing, finesse, versatile (P). I have to admit I'm not a fan of having the mechanical aspects of the book in the middle of the flavor text instead of all bunched up together. I had a hard time finding this and the Godless Healing feat too.

And no, if you have an Aldori Dueling Sword and aren't trained, you would have to attack without adding your proficiency to the roll, which would be a -3 at level 1 and only get worse as you level up. Definitely not recommended.


Here is the complete description of the Aldori dueling sword from a recent blog. I strongly suspect that the 20 gp cost is a misprint. An Elven curve blade is only 4 gp.


Gisher wrote:
Here is the complete description of the Aldori dueling sword from a recent blog. I strongly suspect that the 20 gp cost is a misprint. An Elven curve blade is only 4 gp.

Who knows. It might be horrifically overfancy and given ridiculous smithing requirements that ultimately do little to improve the item (such as 'folded 1000 times', when you only get benefit from the first...dozen or so?).

The sword is the key feature of the swordstyle, as well as the symbol of the school (which has a mix of nobility, 'super special club', honor obsession, and general 'prickly' nature as its characteristics). So they might go overboard in order to have something they can use to look down on others.


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There was mention that it's a misprint and it should be 20sp, rather than gold. I'll see if I can find the post.


physicist-pi wrote:
There was mention that it's a misprint and it should be 20sp, rather than gold. I'll see if I can find the post.

It does seem that they corrected the price on this week's Pathfinder Friday episode. (I haven't listened to it yet, myself.)

Scarab Sages

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I've also heard that 20g was a misprint, although 2g and 20sp is the same amount of money, so just taking off a 0 seems more likely than changing the currency type. (2g vs 20sp)

Silver Crusade

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lemeres wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Here is the complete description of the Aldori dueling sword from a recent blog. I strongly suspect that the 20 gp cost is a misprint. An Elven curve blade is only 4 gp.

Who knows. It might be horrifically overfancy and given ridiculous smithing requirements that ultimately do little to improve the item (such as 'folded 1000 times', when you only get benefit from the first...dozen or so?).

The sword is the key feature of the swordstyle, as well as the symbol of the school (which has a mix of nobility, 'super special club', honor obsession, and general 'prickly' nature as its characteristics). So they might go overboard in order to have something they can use to look down on others.

This is honestly why I didn’t question the price, given who the Aldori are.


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Rysky wrote:
lemeres wrote:

Who knows. It might be horrifically overfancy and given ridiculous smithing requirements that ultimately do little to improve the item (such as 'folded 1000 times', when you only get benefit from the first...dozen or so?).

The sword is the key feature of the swordstyle, as well as the symbol of the school (which has a mix of nobility, 'super special club', honor obsession, and general 'prickly' nature as its characteristics). So they might go overboard in order to have something they can use to look down on others.

This is honestly why I didn’t question the price, given who the Aldori are.

I can see it now- "oh, is that half plate that you are wearing? how cute. it is ALMOST as valuable as my sword. ALMOST."

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Rysky wrote:
lemeres wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Here is the complete description of the Aldori dueling sword from a recent blog. I strongly suspect that the 20 gp cost is a misprint. An Elven curve blade is only 4 gp.

Who knows. It might be horrifically overfancy and given ridiculous smithing requirements that ultimately do little to improve the item (such as 'folded 1000 times', when you only get benefit from the first...dozen or so?).

The sword is the key feature of the swordstyle, as well as the symbol of the school (which has a mix of nobility, 'super special club', honor obsession, and general 'prickly' nature as its characteristics). So they might go overboard in order to have something they can use to look down on others.

This is honestly why I didn’t question the price, given who the Aldori are.

Honestly, same. I just assumed it was correct because it almost makes sense.

Silver Crusade

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Yep-yep


The 20gp price makes sense from a "who the swordlords are" perspective but less from a "playing a level 2 character who has just taken the archetype" perspective. Why are they going to let you into the club if you can't even afford the weapon yet? I assume swearing the Aldori swordpact involves "owning or being able to afford the weapon, otherwise what's the point... we don't want to have people named Aldori running around with Rapiers."


I always saw the Aldori sword as a regular sword that anyone could buy but few could master. However, the Aldori Swordlords built their entire style around it. Just like Unarmed Strikes are available to literally everyone, but its mostly the House of Perfection (and a few others) that built a style around it.


Pretty much, although it would be rare to find anybody making them outside of Brevoy / River Kingdoms / Galt.
(IMHO this is example of poor coherence of LOWG's meta-regions, tying above countries to Kellid lands for Aldori commonality, when Galt is better fit)

20gp was the price of the item in 1E, which was seemingly directly copied instead of being adapted to 2E currency paradigm.
Of note, the 1E PrC needed 4 Feats and at least 5 levels to enter, but the sword itself was wieldable as Martial weapon.
It wasn't actually any different than Longsword when used that way, but a Longsword was only 5gp cheaper (15 vs 20gp).


Well in PF1 you could even start as an Aldori Defender Fighter. Which is effectively the equivalent of the Hellknight Armiger, which was also a fighter archetype.

Also none of the Dueling Sword/Aldori feats required being part of the class. But the feats were generally the same/synergistic.

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