Why was a 2nd edition created when Paizo said they would never do this?
Why you gotta lie, man?
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3 biggest lies people believe.
1. earth is flat
2. vaccines cause autism
3. The moon landing was faked.
3 1/2. Paizo said they would never create another edition.
Hasn't paizo explicitly answered this question a couple times? I can't find the old blogs, but I'm pretty sure one of them had "why second edition".
Hasn't paizo explicitly answered this question a couple times? I can't find the old blogs, but I'm pretty sure one of them had "why second edition".
When PF1 launched Lisa said they’d likely do another edition at some point, but it was a long way off.
They’ve never said they wouldn’t put out a second edition. They’ve repeatedly said “we’re not planning one” at various points during the last ten years. I suspect you’re remembering one of those times where they meant at that time.
Hasn't paizo explicitly answered this question a couple times? I can't find the old blogs, but I'm pretty sure one of them had "why second edition".When PF1 launched Lisa said they’d likely do another edition at some point, but it was a long way off.
They’ve never said they wouldn’t put out a second edition. They’ve repeatedly said “we’re not planning one” at various points during the last ten years. I suspect you’re remembering one of those times where they meant at that time.
Nah, this was something close to the announcement of 2e. Not sure if it was a blog or a dev post, or maybe a video.
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I mean, a ten year long edition is the second longest period between editions in the history of this family of games (after AD&D to AD&D 2nd from 1977 to 1989).
Nah, this was something close to the announcement of 2e. Not sure if it was a blog or a dev post, or maybe a video.Hasn't paizo explicitly answered this question a couple times? I can't find the old blogs, but I'm pretty sure one of them had "why second edition".When PF1 launched Lisa said they’d likely do another edition at some point, but it was a long way off.
They’ve never said they wouldn’t put out a second edition. They’ve repeatedly said “we’re not planning one” at various points during the last ten years. I suspect you’re remembering one of those times where they meant at that time.
Sorry for the confusion. Somehow I decided you were the OP. :o
Yeah, you’re right. They put up an FAQ explaining this as they announced PF2.
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I do not recall anyone from Paizo ever saying that. That being said I don't expect it to take to long for them to do a third edition.
All evidence there is suggests you're wrong.
Pretty sure they ran out of ideas for first, decided that 5th edition was the best version to copy and refine due to popularity like they did with D&D 3.5 for first edition and eve online for pathfinder online and will re-release a lot of 1st edition stuff in second edition format,
This they've explicitly said they won't do, and show no signs of doing.
and then release a third edition when its clear second edition was a move in the wrong direction or was a critical success but can not monetize it any longer due to running out of ideas again.
I mean...yeah, there'll probably be a new edition eventually as they run out of material/it becomes bloated, but I would expect it to take another ten years or thereabouts.
I don't hate second edition, I just don't see a reason for it over first edition since it feels so much like D&D 5th edition.
I find this reaction mind boggling. Aside from both having a shorter skill list than PF1 and using something called 'Proficiency' pretty widely there are almost no similarities between the games.
Feats are rare and optional in 5E, while they're the heart of PF2's design (people mostly range from 0-6 Feats in 5E while the lowest number of Feats a PF2 character gets is 21, and the highest is over 30). Level is much less meaningful in 5E than in PF1, while it's more meaningful than it's ever been in PF2, and so on. Really, aside from both having more coherent core mechanics, the two have gone in almost completely opposite directions in a lot of ways.
I can see the 5E comparison on a very broad strokes analysis: if you measure games on a single axis of “complexity” (or whatever term you prefer). PF1 is much more complex than 5E and PF2 is less complicated than PF1 - therefore it’s closer to 5E.
I generally find it unhelpful to try to describe games in terms of their similarity to other games, but maybe it’s a useful shortcut for some people to get a handle on a new ruleset.
Why was a 2nd edition created when Paizo said they would never do this?
"Smells trolling" (sorry, if I'm wrong, OP!)
Paizo said nothing like that. Ever.
They stayed with 1 ed for 10 years and that's a decent long run - kudos for that!
I'm not a fan of the new system - but nobody got cheated, or lied to -
Good gaming to you all:-)
Well, it had been 10 years since PF1. There were not
many more books they could publish for PF1. Also they probably think and myself that PF2 is better game.
I have been reading the PDFs and listening to all the podcasts. Haven't had an actual play session yet (finishing Strange Aeons in PF classic). But this game looks like the next big thing to me. I'm excited.
Never making another edition would have been company death. Adhering to PF1 was not viable commercially, and the people who say now "Well at least I have enough PF1 product to last me X years!" are actually proving the point.