Is there a feat / mythic ability / whatever that gives you a perfect memory?


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


If not, what should such an ability do? I think for one you shouldn't need a spellbook if your a wizard or other class which uses them since they could just store all the words in memory.


Well there is this feat that lets a wizard prepare some spells without a spellbook: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/spell-mastery

If you had a feat that let a wizard do this with every spell it would obviously be an order of magnitude more powerful than the existing feat.

The archmage mythic ability Perfect Preparation lets you prepare without using a spellbook.

To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the game that gives your character a perfect memory in general.


The closest that you can get is something like Secret Page- a 1st level spell that lets you perfectly memorize up to one page/INT bonus, and Psychic Asylum is a 5th-level spell that gives you eidetic memory regarding anything you've seen in the last week/level for a 15-minute task that only takes a swift action in real-world time. That's about as close as you can get.


Perfect Preparation is a Archmage path ability that allows an arcane caster to prepare spells without needing a spell book or familiar. That is all it does, but it is still very useful.

There is also the Flash of Omniscience that mentions that your ability to recall information is astounding. If you wanted perfect memory I would simply take both of those.


Yqatuba wrote:
If not, what should such an ability do? I think for one you shouldn't need a spellbook if your a wizard or other class which uses them since they could just store all the words in memory.

If you allow a wizard to eschew their spellbook it should come at a big price. It shouldn't be a simple feat.

I have actually seen an option that allows you to do so. However, the mental energy required takes a heavy toll and fundamentally changes their wizard, infusing them with eldritch energy as it ravages their mind. They gain these weird powers in their blood, and cast all their spells spontaneously. It's crazy.....they become something known as sorcerers.

Seriously though, the spell book is a serious weakness of the wizard class and nothing should completely remove that liability.

More generally speaking, if you want perfect memory for thematic purpose I would look at other people's suggestions. If you need a reason why the wizard can't remember their spells after they've cast them, I would suggest that you play an arcanist and flavor the spells known per day limitation as "even the mind has limits".


Claxon wrote:
Seriously though, the spell book is a serious weakness of the wizard class and nothing should completely remove that liability.

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Besides, as mentioned by a Mysterious Stranger, there already is a Mythic Path ability that completely replaces the spellbook.


It's a Mythic ability. I don't really count that, since relatively few people play Mythic games.

That's a perfectly mild ability for Mythic, but not appropriate for regular games, IMO.


Okay, but the thread title is "Is there a feat / mythic ability / whatever that gives you a perfect memory?", so mythic abilities are on the table either way.

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Perfect memory COULD mean you don't need to roll for knowledge checks. Just take 20 every time.


Samsarans get such a high level of memory, they can even remember their past lives. But I’m not sure if that’s what you are looking for.


If you allow Psionics in your game, Autohypnosis skill checks can simulate near-perfect memory.


Wish spell can do the work, this spell do the impossible possible (you just need to ask gm approval)


Claxon wrote:
Yqatuba wrote:
If not, what should such an ability do? I think for one you shouldn't need a spellbook if your a wizard or other class which uses them since they could just store all the words in memory.

If you allow a wizard to eschew their spellbook it should come at a big price. It shouldn't be a simple feat.

I have actually seen an option that allows you to do so. However, the mental energy required takes a heavy toll and fundamentally changes their wizard, infusing them with eldritch energy as it ravages their mind. They gain these weird powers in their blood, and cast all their spells spontaneously. It's crazy.....they become something known as sorcerers.

Seriously though, the spell book is a serious weakness of the wizard class and nothing should completely remove that liability.

More generally speaking, if you want perfect memory for thematic purpose I would look at other people's suggestions. If you need a reason why the wizard can't remember their spells after they've cast them, I would suggest that you play an arcanist and flavor the spells known per day limitation as "even the mind has limits".

I mean with secluded grimoire or even a handy haversack plus quick study pretty much all the downsides of a spellbook are circumvented.


Note that knowledge checks are supposed to be remembering things (and making connections, but mostly memory). Perfect memory would be taking 20 (or at least make your roll a minimum 15 to account for the possibility you might not make a connection) for free on all knowledge checks, which would be really powerful. Not so OP it couldn't be a high level ability, but it wouldn't be a trivial thing.

Liberty's Edge

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For recalling information, memories and other mundane things a Knowledge check or an intelligence check can be appropriate.

A Bard loremaster ability is somewhat similar to a very good memory.

If you search Eidetic in the Archives of Nethys, you find two class abilities:

Eidetic Recollection (Su) (Advanced Class Guide pg. 32): An investigator can always choose to take 10 on any of his Knowledge checks, even if he’s in immediate danger or distracted. An investigator may expend one use of inspiration to take 20 on a Knowledge skill check even if he’s in immediate danger or distracted. An investigator must be at least 11th level to select this talent.

Eidetic Memory (Ex): Years of training in the libraries of countless Pathfinder lodges have given the Pathfinder field agent extraordinary recall. A Pathfinder field agent with this training adds half her class level (minimum 1) to all Knowledge skill checks and can attempt all Knowledge skill checks untrained.

Both end giving you something similar to the Bard ability.

For spells, there is the Spell mastery feat. Theoretically, it is limited to Wizards, but there is a FAQ that says that the Paizo team see no problem extending it to other arcane spellcasting classes.


I saw something once, but I forgot the details. :-)

/cevah

Liberty's Edge

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LOL


You can use modify memory to gain perfect recall of any 5 minute stretch of time. You could theoretically have some way of casting this over and over so that every 5 minute stretch of your life is perfectly recalled. At the very least you'd need to keep detailed minutes of your life in order to use it effectively.
I have no idea what happens if you use this spell in conjunction with an ability that reduces spell prep time to perfectly recall your last spell prep.

Yadithians have the cosmic mind ability which lets them ignore the spell book or familiar requirement for spell storage, so there is a low level precedent for such an ability.

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