Monitor / Fey Obedience in place of Deific Obedience?


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Can Monitor Obedience or Fey Obedience be used in place of Deific Obedience for the Divine Paragon archetype?


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No.


For divine paragon, you get deific obedience not monitor obedience, despite that though you'd gain the boons of your deity if your deity is a monitor.

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The Young Squire Pettypants wrote:
Can Monitor Obedience or Fey Obedience be used in place of Deific Obedience for the Divine Paragon archetype?

Strictly as written, no. You get the Deific Obedience feat, and therefore would need to worship a deity that specifically grants a Deific Obedience boon.

As a GM I wouldn’t have any problem letting a player use Fey Obedience instead. The introduction to Fey Obedience in TFW:RotF specifically notes that you can use Fey Obedience to qualify for Exalted, Sentinel, and Evangelist prestige classes with no changes - normally character level 5 - so making a Divine Paragon cleric wouldn’t be out of scale.

BotD specifically states that Fiendish Obedience does NOT directly qualify for those classes (it suggests the PCs be two levels higher to enter the prestige class) so getting the boons at the Divine Paragon levels would be too early. Similarly, you have to be at least level 7 to become a mystery cultist (Celestial Obedience) or Proctor (Monitor Obedience) so I wouldn’t allow those for Divine Paragon either.


Belafon wrote:
The Young Squire Pettypants wrote:
Can Monitor Obedience or Fey Obedience be used in place of Deific Obedience for the Divine Paragon archetype?

Strictly as written, no. You get the Deific Obedience feat, and therefore would need to worship a deity that specifically grants a Deific Obedience boon.

As a GM I wouldn’t have any problem letting a player use Fey Obedience instead. The introduction to Fey Obedience in TFW:RotF specifically notes that you can use Fey Obedience to qualify for Exalted, Sentinel, and Evangelist prestige classes with no changes - normally character level 5 - so making a Divine Paragon cleric wouldn’t be out of scale.

BotD specifically states that Fiendish Obedience does NOT directly qualify for those classes (it suggests the PCs be two levels higher to enter the prestige class) so getting the boons at the Divine Paragon levels would be too early. Similarly, you have to be at least level 7 to become a mystery cultist (Celestial Obedience) or Proctor (Monitor Obedience) so I wouldn’t allow those for Divine Paragon either.

Thank you, very well put.

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