Which new books to order. Hardcover or Deluxe?


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I just wanted to get feedback on the the special bound books. I do not mind paying the $20 extra per book, but only if the quality of SE book warrants it.

Any feedback on that?

Thank you


Cubert Farnsworth wrote:

I just wanted to get feedback on the the special bound books. I do not mind paying the $20 extra per book, but only if the quality of SE book warrants it.

Any feedback on that?

Thank you

Major factors seem to be:

1.) Do you care about cover art? If yes, Wayne Reynolds' cover art is incredible and not present with the SE.
2.) Do you intend to actually use the book or will it sit on a shelf? For actual use, normal might be better. For shelf, SE has an awesome spine.


I don't own it but to my knowledge the SE is just a Vinyl foil stamped cover over the same book?

The spine however IS designed to match the rest of the spine designs though. So I think it should look good next to the other books.

I am considering cancelling my preorder (elsewhere) and getting the SE, amusingly I think I would be less concerned about having my players than the normal one.
Actually, bugger it... I will just order a second core book and swallow the extra cost for the group.


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I went with one copy of each


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It's likely the first printing will have lots of errata that will quickly be found once the book is in the hands of the masses. I would hate to have spent money on a deluxe book with all that.

IMO they should release a deluxe version only after the errata is taken care of.


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I can guarantee that Paizo are literally kicking themselves over the editing error on page 491 (right-hand column, second bullet point).

But I really love my SE - it’s gorgeous.


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DaveMage wrote:

It's likely the first printing will have lots of errata that will quickly be found once the book is in the hands of the masses. I would hate to have spent money on a deluxe book with all that.

IMO they should release a deluxe version only after the errata is taken care of.

Be drastically harder to sell at that point. Personally I don't mind having an out of date book. I tend to only ever update it if there are majorly broken elements that were errated out.


The Gleeful Grognard wrote:
DaveMage wrote:

It's likely the first printing will have lots of errata that will quickly be found once the book is in the hands of the masses. I would hate to have spent money on a deluxe book with all that.

IMO they should release a deluxe version only after the errata is taken care of.

Be drastically harder to sell at that point. Personally I don't mind having an out of date book. I tend to only ever update it if there are majorly broken elements that were errated out.

Hardly. The D&D 3.5 deluxe books came out long after the original release and the errata was cleaned up nicely, and it was a perfect time to resell them to those whose original books may have been a bit beat up by that point.


DaveMage wrote:
The Gleeful Grognard wrote:
DaveMage wrote:

It's likely the first printing will have lots of errata that will quickly be found once the book is in the hands of the masses. I would hate to have spent money on a deluxe book with all that.

IMO they should release a deluxe version only after the errata is taken care of.

Be drastically harder to sell at that point. Personally I don't mind having an out of date book. I tend to only ever update it if there are majorly broken elements that were errated out.
Hardly. The D&D 3.5 deluxe books came out long after the original release and the errata was cleaned up nicely, and it was a perfect time to resell them to those whose original books may have been a bit beat up by that point.

Long after? the original ones came less than a year after the 3.5 PHB, unless you are talking about the 2012 premium one. Or are you considering 3.0?

Pathfinder 2e however I don't think is in the same position as 3.5 was at that point in time (a revision of an already proven ruleset). Nor can I find any sales figures on how well that book did.

What I can say is that people who spend a large chunk of money on a 630 page book and see other books on the horizon are generally less likely to buy an expensive special edition than people who see the price difference when ordering it initially and splurge. This is a much researched human behavioral trend.

Now, coming out with a collectors edition set of books 5 years from now, that may bring extra purchases. But whether that would be better than selling a deluxe edition now or not is debatable, nor does it necessarily preclude the creation of such a set at a later date.

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I normally don't care so much about special editions. Also, I've been burnt many times by the amount of errors in first printings.

What would really work for me would be a cheap paperback first printing, and then later on a "all errors fixed" super durable deluxe printing.

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Chemlak wrote:

I can guarantee that Paizo are literally kicking themselves over the editing error on page 491 (right-hand column, second bullet point).

But I really love my SE - it’s gorgeous.

That's really an amazing error.


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Ascalaphus wrote:
Chemlak wrote:

I can guarantee that Paizo are literally kicking themselves over the editing error on page 491 (right-hand column, second bullet point).

But I really love my SE - it’s gorgeous.

That's really an amazing error.

Ah, ye old secret page XXX. How I have missed thee!


Feros wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:
Chemlak wrote:

I can guarantee that Paizo are literally kicking themselves over the editing error on page 491 (right-hand column, second bullet point).

But I really love my SE - it’s gorgeous.

That's really an amazing error.
Ah, ye old secret page XXX. How I have missed thee!

As someone who doesn't have the book - what IS on page 491 right-hand column, second bullet point?


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Seisho wrote:
As someone who doesn't have the book - what IS on page 491 right-hand column, second bullet point?
Quote:
  • If you're not sure what action a task takes, look for the most similar basic action. If you don't find one, make up an undefined action (page XXX) adding any necessary traits (usually attack, concentrate, manipulate, or move.
  • Silver Crusade

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    Okay, but is that an error or was that intentional?


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    I think it should have referred you to a page in the book dealing with undefined actions. "Other" actions is on p. 452, for example, and says "Game masters can also use this approach when a character tries to do something that isn't covered in the rules."

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    *nods*

    Still though, telling you to look at undefined actions on an undefined page is rather amusing.


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    Rysky wrote:

    *nods*

    Still though, telling you to look at undefined actions on an undefined page is rather amusing.

    Just one of many little goodies we gremlins sprinkled through the book! Find the Ability score to determine DCs for Monk Focus Spells...go on, I dare you!

    >:)

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    Master Pugwampi wrote:
    Rysky wrote:

    *nods*

    Still though, telling you to look at undefined actions on an undefined page is rather amusing.

    Just one of many little goodies we gremlins sprinkled through the book! Find the Ability score to determine DCs for Monk Focus Spells...go on, I dare you!

    >:)

    Wisdom, p. 162 :3


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    Rysky wrote:
    Master Pugwampi wrote:
    Rysky wrote:

    *nods*

    Still though, telling you to look at undefined actions on an undefined page is rather amusing.

    Just one of many little goodies we gremlins sprinkled through the book! Find the Ability score to determine DCs for Monk Focus Spells...go on, I dare you!

    >:)

    Wisdom, p. 162 :3

    Well done!

    ...but an important thing like that should be expressed explicitly, not gleaned from a sidebar sample character comment! :)


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    Feros wrote:
    Rysky wrote:
    Master Pugwampi wrote:
    Rysky wrote:

    *nods*

    Still though, telling you to look at undefined actions on an undefined page is rather amusing.

    Just one of many little goodies we gremlins sprinkled through the book! Find the Ability score to determine DCs for Monk Focus Spells...go on, I dare you!

    >:)

    Wisdom, p. 162 :3

    Well done!

    ...but an important thing like that should be expressed explicitly, not gleaned from a sidebar sample character comment! :)

    Yeah! :p

    Silver Crusade

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    The Masked Pugwampi wrote:
    Feros wrote:
    Rysky wrote:
    Master Pugwampi wrote:
    Rysky wrote:

    *nods*

    Still though, telling you to look at undefined actions on an undefined page is rather amusing.

    Just one of many little goodies we gremlins sprinkled through the book! Find the Ability score to determine DCs for Monk Focus Spells...go on, I dare you!

    >:)

    Wisdom, p. 162 :3

    Well done!

    ...but an important thing like that should be expressed explicitly, not gleaned from a sidebar sample character comment! :)

    Yeah! :p

    Ye, but a dares a dare :3


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    Rysky wrote:
    Okay, but is that an error or was that intentional?

    Not sure if you're being humorous or not. In page layout it's common to use a placeholder such as XXX for page references so that it's easy to go back after the main pagination is settled down and do a global find. Easy way to check if all the references were filled in. Someone clearly didn't.


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    Anguish wrote:
    Rysky wrote:
    Okay, but is that an error or was that intentional?
    Not sure if you're being humorous or not. In page layout it's common to use a placeholder such as XXX for page references so that it's easy to go back after the main pagination is settled down and do a global find. Easy way to check if all the references were filled in. Someone clearly didn't.

    Yeah, my concern about Paizo giving themselves too little time and too strict a date with gencon have been verified with all the mistakes in the book.

    The deadlines seem to have been pretty tight, I mean just look at the Lost Omens Guide and why it was delayed.

    Silver Crusade

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    Anguish wrote:
    Rysky wrote:
    Okay, but is that an error or was that intentional?
    Not sure if you're being humorous or not. In page layout it's common to use a placeholder such as XXX for page references so that it's easy to go back after the main pagination is settled down and do a global find. Easy way to check if all the references were filled in. Someone clearly didn't.

    I was being humorous.


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    Personally I went with the Deluxe for all that I could and I don't regret it at all. The edition is beautiful. the Gold embossing is very lustrous and overall its much more impressive that the Starfiner Deluxe edition. it also has two built in ribbon book markers which is a very nice edition. It feels exceptionally well made. If you can spring for it I would personally recommend it but everyone's milage may vary on this sort of thing. ME I like unique books that in a few years will a a nice stand out for my collection.


    Joana wrote:
    Seisho wrote:
    As someone who doesn't have the book - what IS on page 491 right-hand column, second bullet point?
    Quote:
  • If you're not sure what action a task takes, look for the most similar basic action. If you don't find one, make up an undefined action (page XXX) adding any necessary traits (usually attack, concentrate, manipulate, or move.
  • The triple X page... Sounds naughty. ;)

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    I pre-ordered SE editions of the books, because I'm a librarian and those are just gorgeous. At the table I'll be using the regular corebook, but I guess I'll wait for a little while to get second printing errata into the book. :)

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    graystone wrote:
    Joana wrote:
    Seisho wrote:
    As someone who doesn't have the book - what IS on page 491 right-hand column, second bullet point?
    Quote:
  • If you're not sure what action a task takes, look for the most similar basic action. If you don't find one, make up an undefined action (page XXX) adding any necessary traits (usually attack, concentrate, manipulate, or move.
  • The triple X page... Sounds naughty. ;)

    Undefined actions will be call Vin Diesel actions from now on. And I think it actually fits most of the hero's actions in the movie.

    Hence action movies ;-D

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