PFS Stonelord Suggestions


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I have never played a paladin in Society before. Therefor, I am looking for suggestions or must have items for my stonelord. Everything from stand recommendations to gear, feats, skills, traits etc. I do know stonelords dont benefit as much from a high charisma except for lay on hands, so my current array is 16,12,16,7,14,12. I am planning on using a dwarven maulaxe so i can do slashing and bludgeoning without needing to waste a feat on a weapon. My level one feat currently selected (can change since i am just hitting level 2) is weapon focus. My traits are defender of the society and tireless (i'm exchange). I am planning on focusing my skills on diplomacy with a point in heal, and the rest in religion.

At level 2 if i dont change anything I have 23hp,22ac. am currently wearing a masterwork halfplate (bought for free with prestige). I am not sure if i just want to work on this, orsave up for an adamantine full plate or maybe mithril? I am also using a wooden heavy shield.

So anything you think i should change? Anything you want to point out as a future need or bad idea? Anything i missed?

Grand Lodge

I love stonelord for the flavor of it, and honestly you should be good to go for the most part as is; the stats you have are great, though it looks like you have to make your favored class bonus in skill points to be able to invest in both diplo and kn(religion) but at 16 Con you’re fine
With low Cha I’d certainly invest in Extra Lay on Hands at some point. Weapon focus is a good pick for first level so not much reason to change that, though at level 2 you can instead change it out for power attack. With stonestrike and full bab, Weapon Focus isn’t absolutely necessary.

I dont think you can take defender of the society as it’s meant to be a fighter-only trait; I’d double check on that.

Adamantine is so expensive for the benefit that it honestly isn’t worth it. And as a dwarf mithral doesn’t do anything either.

Switch to light shield or dump the shield entirely so you have a hand free to use lay on hands, and since you don’t have a ton of uses of it, you should really be saving those for yourself in combat to use as a swift action.

If you want max skill ranks in a skill (say, UMD *hint hint wink wink*) snag a normal Scarlett and Blue ioun stone when you have a spare 8k for a +2 to Int, and throw those bonus skill ranks into that. If you do that for UMD you can buy a wand of shield and call it a day. If you don’t want to do that, consider getting a ring of force shield.

You can het high AC but if you’re not doing a bunch of damage monsters will start ignoring you. So I’d suggest just swap your current weapon and get a dwarven waraxe or a dwarven Sphinx hammer and use it 2 handed for the bonus Str and power attack damage.

Sovereign Court

General thoughts:

Have you considered a reach weapon and combat reflexes?

Adamantine Full plate is expensive, but iirc Stonelords get a nice rate of dr and if they stack, I think it’d be worth it. If not, I’d dial up that halfplate with some enhancement bonuses.

With the dwarves racial penalty to cha, that’s an expensive 12 that isn’t giving you a whole lot of benefit. I’d consider leaving it at an 8 or 10 post racial to up your dex to 14, especially if you go the reach route.

Iirc, Defender of the Society is for fighters. If that is correct, you’re going to have to find another trait! Perhaps glory of old? I’d look this up but it’s a pain on my phone.

Not getting Divine Grace hurts, but with hardy, glory of old, and eventually taking steel soul, you’ll have some stout saves vs spells, sla’s, and poison!

Where is your one whole skill point going? Sense Motive would be my choice, but when you’re only getting one, it’s kind of a toss up regardless imo.

Grand Lodge

Adamantine armor DR does not stack with Stonelord DR, so adamantine armor is basically worthless for them. I would look to eventually upgrade to magical full plate and not worry about special materials for it.

As Syries mentioned, if you are going for a weapon/shield build on a Paladin, go with a light shield so you can still use that hand for lay on hands without having to drop either your weapon or shield.

With a 7 Int, you get 0 skill points per level unless you use your favored class bonus for skill points. 2 for the class, -2 for your Int = 0.

Defender of the Society is indeed a Fighter only trait, you cannot use that on a Paladin in PFS play. Glory of Old is a solid option, +1 on saves -vs- spells is always nice.

You may want to consider switching from the Dwarven Maulaxe to the Dwarven Waraxe...better damage, x3 crit multiplier, still 1 handed, and you don't need a light weapon since you aren't going for 2-weapon fighting style.

The one magic item that always comes to mind when I think of Stonelords is Boots of the Earth, thematically perfect, and essentially free healing between combats is amazing for a front line character.


Slyme wrote:

Adamantine armor DR does not stack with Stonelord DR, so adamantine armor is basically worthless for them. I would look to eventually upgrade to magical full plate and not worry about special materials for it.

As Syries mentioned, if you are going for a weapon/shield build on a Paladin, go with a light shield so you can still use that hand for lay on hands without having to drop either your weapon or shield.

With a 7 Int, you get 0 skill points per level unless you use your favored class bonus for skill points. 2 for the class, -2 for your Int = 0.

Defender of the Society is indeed a Fighter only trait, you cannot use that on a Paladin in PFS play. Glory of Old is a solid option, +1 on saves -vs- spells is always nice.

You may want to consider switching from the Dwarven Maulaxe to the Dwarven Waraxe...better damage, x3 crit multiplier, still 1 handed, and you don't need a light weapon since you aren't going for 2-weapon fighting style.

The one magic item that always comes to mind when I think of Stonelords is Boots of the Earth, thematically perfect, and essentially free healing between combats is amazing for a front line character.

Actually, you always get a minimum of 1 skill point per level, so going from 8 Int to 7 effectively doesn't do anything to his character, other than lower his Int skill checks.

Grand Lodge

Characters always get a minimum of 1 skill point per HD, and after that is figured out, he can spend his favored class bonus to get a 2nd skill point.

Edit* ninja’d!

Grand Lodge

Ah, not sure how I didn't know about the 1 skill point minimum thing...thanks for pointing that out. :)

Sovereign Court

I always thought that a buckler was the only way to keep a hand free to do something with. Where does it say that a light shield still lets you use the hand for things like Lay on Hands?

An important note on Boots of the Earth for PFS is that they only function once per day. I’d link to the campaign clarification/additional resource page, but I keep getting redirected to the Paizo main page...


Hm lots of good points, suggestions, so I will address a few things

1.) 7 int, i was aware of the one skill point minimum, and planning on using favored class bonus for skill point, to get two a level, as mentioned focusing primarily on diplomacy, throwing one in heal for class bonus, then doing religion the rest of the way, or erhaps at some point getting the hp instead.

2.) Weapon choice. I didn't get the maulaxe for its light property, i got it for the ability to do slashing or bludgeoning with the very same weapon. It is still a x3 weapon. I did consider a reach weapon, but i really want the B/S on my weapon.
2a.)(can i grab a large one and two hand it?)

3.) Shield. I did forget about needing the hand for lay on hands, though i also thought i had heard somewhere, i didnt need to if i was only targeting myself. (thats probably wrong as no one has mentioned that)

4.) Adamantine plate and Stonelord DR not stacking. Can't believe i forgot i was even getting DR lol, only reason i was thinking it.

5.) Charisma Score: I actually want to have some lay on hands before I grab the feat or get the money to buy a +cha item. (I am also trying to keep diplomacy up a bit) As only one person mentioned dumping it furtherand one person mentioned it being so low already that I need extra lay on hands, not sure I want to adjust it, unless there is more feedback one way or the other, though I am open to it)

6. Defender of society, dropped replaced with glory of old

7. Shields. If I need a hand free for lay on hands, then yes i shall switch to a light shield. Light shields are strapped to your arms and grasped with your hand, but only the heavy shield has the line "a heavy shield is so heavy you cannot use your shield hand for anything else". So a light shield would work, if i Don't end up going 2handed.

So after all that, I have a few new questions:

Q1: Should I just work on the halfplate I have now since adamantine and mithril is not terribly useful, or should I actually try for the full plate (+1 armor +1 dex)

Q2: If i stay with the halfplate, should i drop my dex to a 10? Then i can boost my con to 17.

Q3.) As I won't get smite, should I focus on enhancement bonus only for my weapon?

And of course, more advice or critique, or comments are welcome!

Grand Lodge

For the armor, I would switch/upgrade to full plate in the long run. +2 extra AC and 1 lower armor check penalty is well worth it. If you want to go super theme oriented, go with Stone Plate instead...same stats as full plate, and it fits the Stonelord archetype perfectly for only 300 more gp (side benefit, you get to laugh at rust monsters)

Using your last chance to rebuild before you get locked in to your build and gear at level 2 is a great time to invest in armor. You should have at least the 1500gp for full plate, depending on what you ran you may even have the 1800gp for stone plate. I believe you can switch your prestige point purchase during that rebuild as well, to maybe a masterwork weapon. When I play heavy armor characters in PFS, I usually just use some kind of cheap medium/heavy armor for the first few games until I can afford masterwork full plate.

I would also stick with the 12 dex, the +1 AC and reflex saves is better in the long run than a couple hit points.

Definitely go for enhancement bonuses on the weapon...I wouldn't worry about making it of a special material since you get Stonestrike in place of Smite. Maybe toss on something like Flaming or Greyflame (if your GM rules your Earth Channel still counts as Channel Energy for it).

Stonelord is a fun archetype, I made one that wielded a Dorn-Dergar that I quite liked.

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