Need some help, Cavalier / Paladin want bardic performance


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Hey, my group is going to be starting Wrath of the Righteous soon, I've decided on a character build for it which is Cavalier (Gallant archetype) with 5 levels of Paladin (Hospitalier, it's mostly a flavor build, I know the 2 don't synergise particularly well, I was wondering if there was anyway to get decent Bardic Performance without too big of a dip, because I'm going Mythic Marshal and a lot of the marshal stuff seems to want bardic performance. I want a full level 20 mount.


Well, Oathbound Paladin with Order of the People's Council has Bardic Performance, but it doesn't stack with Hospitaler (plus, it obviously doesn't scale besond the Paladin levels).

A better way is to use Variant Multiclassing from Unchained, which works perfectly fine together with regular multiclassing, and grants Iinspire Courage and Inspire Competence as a Bard of four fewer levels, starting at 7th level.


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Morganrahl wrote:
I've decided on a character build for it which is Cavalier (Gallant archetype) with 5 levels of Paladin (Hospitalier, it's mostly a flavor build ...)

If you're going 5 levels of Paladin

Derklord wrote:
Well, Oathbound Paladin with Order of the People's Council has Bardic Performance, but it doesn't stack with Hospitaler (plus, it obviously doesn't scale besond the Paladin levels).

If you take 5 levels your Inspire Courage will get to +2/+2. You could take the MASTER PERFORMER feat (and EXTRA PERFORMANCE) and wear a DERVISH SIKKE and you'll end up with a +4/+4 (the same as a 17th level Bard) for 18 + CHA rounds per day.

It depends what you're wanting from this though.


The problem with the non-scaling is not so much the bonus, but the action type - you don't get below standard action.

Oh, and RAW, Dervish Sikke doesn't work because "If the wearer is a bard" isn't fulfilled.

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