Oblivion Oath Kibbitzing


Oblivion Oath

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I'll try to spawn a non-rules thread for this, since I can't watch in real time and join the chat. I like this stream, and the more I watch, the more the entertainment comes from wanting to scream advice at the screen, horror movie style.

Things that I've thought more than once:


  • The players seem determined not to have the scene where they create, present, and discuss the relative merits of various long-term plans for their tattoo situation and settle on which one they ought to pursue. Almost as if it was some secret conspiracy among them. Like each time they rest or come to a role-playing dialogue encounter, Jason's face looks like he's thinking this will be the time where they take stock and reflect in character, it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, this time, by the tactical grace of Torag, let this be the time. But it keeps not happening. That's got to be frustrating for GMJB, but his suffering is also kind of hilarious. If I've caught on to the secret plot to torment Jason, please keep this Lucy and the football gag running! Hang in there Chuck^H^H^H^H^HBulmahn, eventually, someday your Council of Elrond will happen!

  • It's a key so old that the markings are worn faint, though once intricate. The knight's order's heraldry and badge are so old that no one recognizes it as contemporary. Before the passing of Qundle, the knight's death looked like he Chose Poorly at the grail lineup, perhaps as if his life had been magically sustained for who knows how many ages. Their homeland/point of origin was a nation founded in opposition to someone so old as to have been a contemporary of the person responsible for the PCs' calendar. (Who also just so happens to be a powerful necromancer.) If I was on that couch, I'd be arguing about what's the best angle into Kyonin and how what we're doing right now will help us get there even faster. Maybe Zel would have an antiquities connect in Erages. Or maybe Mykah has always wanted to see Omesta. Or if they think elves are icky, maybe they figure the knight was headed for Greengold to book passage to Cassomir and thence Absalom. Or maybe Carina is going to convince the group that the well-inked Blue Warders of Tar-Kazmukh have the sweet abjurations they all so desperately need.

  • Kerse and Macridi en route to the Five Kings Mountains for the tie-in to the last of the old campaign setting products seems like a marketing opportunity. Maybe Kyonin is just not in the cards.

  • I keep thinking about that squire left on the dock, and how he will eventually make his way to whatever town the knight was going, and wait. Like he's sitting in some adventurer bar somewhere because he's too ashamed or clueless to go back to Lastwall and fess up to missing the Sleepy Seacat. Did he take the very next barge and has he been waiting in Kerse wondering about the overdue boat all this time? Perhaps he fell in with a Varisian caravan going all the way to Absalom. Or maybe he made it to Caliphas and has been trying to contact the Palatine Eye for help. Each episode, I try to imagine another scene from his off-stage journey like the art in the editorials for Serpent's Skull. It's probably too close to GenCon to put together now, but maybe when the regular crew needs a break for whatever reason, another GM or group of players could do cut scenes of what he's up to, where each time he's the sole survivor of a one-shot scenario.

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Hoping that this caravan brings the table back up to standard strength.

Maybe no one wants to plan because nobody took Society?

Has anybody other than Bulmanh counted the days between the times when the key activates? That might be worth trying to work out, and makes a nice reason to keep a journal.

The Wherever-Kerse-Peddlegate-Tar Kazmukh option looks even better, now that I've looked at the Druma book.


Yeah, after the second or third item broke I would have asked my GM for a perception check to see WTF is happening. Cast iron doesn't just break... -_-

The passivity of the group is mildly annoying. The rest of the stream is highly entertaining, so it only bothers me once in a while. Like Mykah (sp?) could say that she's going to check out that key every morning, until she figures the damn thing out. I love them but yes, I do want to scream advice to the players sometimes... :,(

Dataphiles

They're three very passive players. One of them needs to take charge or get a new person who will take charge.

Scarab Sages

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Create a Forgery is a trained Society skill use. Is anyone in the party trained in it?

I guess Tymon is wiser than trying for Caliphas. And the River Kingdoms are probably the nearest plausible exit, so it's more practical than the 5 Kings or Kyonin options. Depending on how close Dead Goat and Thronestep are, it looks like 100 miles to the West Sellen, which would be 5-6 days in exploration mode travel. Not sure how it will be any use for their long-term problem though. Probably punting on the issue was the best option. But don't tarry in Tymon long, for fear the curse triggers while in town. With their luck, it would be right when they're attempting skullduggery under the arena.

I wonder if they'll bother with new fake names.

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What a hoot dinner with their new gracious host will surely be!

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“The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays is coming to its close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences.”


Wow. Can't wait to find out who that's a quote from.

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A stupid, nameless owlbear cub, which in due course will surely murder the party if given the chance, somehow merits more compassion than the family of 3 people? Pharasma weeps.

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... Owlbears are animals, they're not innately evil.

Scarab Sages

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vagrant-poet wrote:
Wow. Can't wait to find out who that's a quote from.

It's from Winston Churchill to the House of Commons, in the speech "The Locust Years," 1936-11-12, where he was complaining that the Baldwin government was spending too little on defense.

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Rysky wrote:
... Owlbears are animals, they're not innately evil.

Those two orphans-in-waiting look like they have a bleak future. I hope Cheapy ends up fulfilling his animal nature in the pit of Tymon, after being exchanged to redeem someone capable of moral reasoning. I guess I should have said "eat" instead "murder". But then, I've never been a pet person, and have always preferred playing clerics to druids. Hopefully this week will see the players reach a similar conclusion, but if not, that storyline could be interesting too.

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Yeah, just watched episode 19 and geez that is cold blooded :'D At least try to ask the guards if thing can be settled with the bloodied without gladiatorial match!

Honestly gonna take a break from watching the Oblivion Oath if they just leave him there without even trying, I kinda lose enjoyment in rpg streams if I start disliking the PCs. I don't even mind the selfish option, just if they choose it without even considering options besides breaking the guy out.

(I kinda prefer watching more good leaning parties than neutral leaning parties, its kinda why I have skipped lots of Critical Role season 2's episodes while returning to watch it randomly when something interesting happens that makes character development happen)


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logic_poet wrote:
vagrant-poet wrote:
Wow. Can't wait to find out who that's a quote from.
It's from Winston Churchill to the House of Commons, in the speech "The Locust Years," 1936-11-12, where he was complaining that the Baldwin government was spending too little on defense.

Lol. Warmongering monsters sure make some excellent RPG villain-sounding quotes.

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vagrant-poet wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
vagrant-poet wrote:
Wow. Can't wait to find out who that's a quote from.
It's from Winston Churchill to the House of Commons, in the speech "The Locust Years," 1936-11-12, where he was complaining that the Baldwin government was spending too little on defense.
Lol. Warmongering monsters sure make some excellent RPG villain-sounding quotes.

I think that statement might make lot of British people angry xD

Also on sidenote, Churchull is good source for lots of burns and memorable quotes :p I honestly don't remember much about the guy since I'm not that interested in British history, but guy had wit at least.

But yeah, if I remember right, isn't the case that Churchill is popular in Britain, but not so much else where because he was really offensive in many ways and had rather great dark side? Like I think I remember some quote about him being great war time leader and bad leader in time of peace? And considering your quote, I guess he probably also was involved in war time atrocities that British people like to glimpse over?(because that seems to be common thing, everyone likes ignoring horrible horrifying crimes by war time "heroes")

(I get feeling that if I google I will find out something that will make me go "Geezus, I was understating my guesses there, he was even worse than I thought O_o;")

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logic_poet wrote:
A stupid, nameless owlbear cub, which in due course will surely murder the party if given the chance, somehow merits more compassion than the family of 3 people? Pharasma weeps.

I watched and thought the same thing, kind of. Yeah, I get that the guy stole for a week, but the fact that the owlbear is of greater concern than the wellbeing of the children made the character’s very off-putting with the exception of the lizard. I mean, the excuse that they have more important matters and “one person does not matter in the grand scheme of things” makes me really question this party’s morality. Carina does not seem much like a redeemer, full of kindness and forgiveness if she’s willing to let these people’s unfortunate fate become worse.

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Narxiso wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
A stupid, nameless owlbear cub, which in due course will surely murder the party if given the chance, somehow merits more compassion than the family of 3 people? Pharasma weeps.
I watched and thought the same thing, kind of. Yeah, I get that the guy stole for a week, but the fact that the owlbear is of greater concern than the wellbeing of the children made the character’s very off-putting with the exception of the lizard. I mean, the excuse that they have more important matters and “one person does not matter in the grand scheme of things” makes me really question this party’s morality. Carina does not seem much like a redeemer, full of kindness and forgiveness if she’s willing to let these people’s unfortunate fate become worse.

...Wait, she is supposed to be NG?

I completely forgot that she is a champion :p

Like it kinda feels like she'd be better fit as the whatever neutral champion option will be when it is released whenever that is. She definitely does feel like Pharasmin in how detached she is, which is fitting of course, but I feel like redeemer is one of the "super goody two shoes" character types. I guess that is just the thing with game being young and more champion tenets not yet existing

That said yeah, as I said, I don't mind if they go for neutral solution as long they at least giving token effort to try, if they just go directly to dump the kids at the knights and leave it at that, I'll just can't really like the party. I don't even mind that they care more about the owlbear than the kids because pets have strange way of becoming easy to get attached to(even though they were trying to not get attached), though logically speaking if they don't train it right, it is going to grow violent when it matures.

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CorvusMask wrote:
Narxiso wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
A stupid, nameless owlbear cub, which in due course will surely murder the party if given the chance, somehow merits more compassion than the family of 3 people? Pharasma weeps.
I watched and thought the same thing, kind of. Yeah, I get that the guy stole for a week, but the fact that the owlbear is of greater concern than the wellbeing of the children made the character’s very off-putting with the exception of the lizard. I mean, the excuse that they have more important matters and “one person does not matter in the grand scheme of things” makes me really question this party’s morality. Carina does not seem much like a redeemer, full of kindness and forgiveness if she’s willing to let these people’s unfortunate fate become worse.

...Wait, she is supposed to be NG?

I completely forgot that she is a champion :p

And promising to let the children join the nights on their travels away from Tymon in case the man dies is little consolation. Now, I’m not saying that choosing to allow the man to accept his punishment is a bad course of action or even that I admonish them for that decision; I just hate that they compared it to “a greater good” course of action, while maintaining a greater deal of sympathy for the owlbear and people who they did not really interact as much with, such as the idea to start a revolution in Razmiran. I mean, they even stayed to help that loyal razmiranian lady in the woods, who was not related to them in the slightest, while on the run from the fanatical clergy, which could have put them at greater risk, and yet people whom they know and interacted with for days at a time, who experienced similar struggles to themselves, are left to die or face worse fates, plagued with the guilt that their father died because they were hungry, and will probably need to steal as well to survive. Gods, I miss Qundle.


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CorvusMask wrote:
If I remember right, isn't the case that Churchill is popular in Britain, but not so much else where because he was really offensive in many ways and had rather great dark side? Like I think I remember some quote about him being great war time leader and bad leader in time of peace? And considering your quote, I guess he probably also was involved in war time atrocities that British people like to glimpse over?

Yes. That's true. I assume lots of British people would be annoyed, like many people are about people history turned into national treasures (these people are almost universally f@~*ing unbelievably terrible rich and powerful people with good press).

Yeah, I don't want to derail this thread about a great and fun show, but cliff notes are that Churchill is over credited as a wartime Prime Minister during WW2, but also a big fun of brutal oppression and genocide (though he kept a lot of that outside of Europe).

He definitely had some phenomenal quotes though, because he was very good at impressing people socially. That's presumably a big part of how he gained power in the first place.

Anyway, no more derail, any annoyed people can PM me if they really want to yell about Churchill.

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Ah, sorry for editing my previous post a lot while you were writing :'D

Edit: And huh I managed to time this post right after another post was posted that I didn't see ._.; But yeah, probably good idea to not derail thread with Churchill. Though it is always depressing to hear about atrocities that people ignore..

On the other post, my edits in previous post pretty much agree with you though my focus is more on at least doing token effort to try because not trying to do anything is just horrifying lack of empathy and caring to me to be able to like the characters.

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Not quite the full Council of Elrond, but deciding mostly to go downstream towards Absalom was about as expected for a party that likes to go with the flow. Perhaps Omesta and Tar Kazmukh will appear in other Paizo products.

Is the bard Serrina joining the trip to Absalom, staying in Tymon, heading for Erages to see if her brother reaches the far shore safely in this life, or what, exactly? I got that she wasn't going with Zel, but not whether she was parting from all the party, now that she's free of Razmir.

Zel managed to remember to get some potions, but I wonder who has the old badge now. Maybe some future time will reveal that he managed to sleight of hand it into Mykah's pocket as a parting gift. Or maybe he plans to keep it in case he needs to present a fraudulent credential someday.

On a lighter note, hurrah for the family reunification. And also for the kids managing to go a day feeding a dangerous beast by hand while retaining all their fingers! I feel like the over/under on just how long that continues should be a chat pool or poll.

Lastly, this long voyage down the Sellen looks like a good place to show off downtime and exploration mode.

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That was about episode 20 right? I didn't watch that one in twitch, checking it currently in youtube

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Yes, that was all episode 20 from last week.

Predictions for the ep 21 this Thursday:
Will the knights want to know about the old badge? Maybe! I suppose it depends on if that gets mentioned.

Will the party meet the left-behind squire? Maybe! But I kind of hope he's chilling in Absalom by now.

Will the party meet a possibly Varisian fortune-teller who has enough Occultism to give them useful intelligence on the key? Maybe!

Will they meet some druids who wonder just what they think they're doing with the owlbear cub? Maybe! Depends on how far downstream they manage to get, I think.

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Ah, Carina's player missed that he was only stealing food :D Well that explains the oddly unsympathetic reaction from non lawful character.

But yeah, I'm just happy characters are trying to solve the issue so yay!

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Chetna Wavari wrote:
They're three very passive players. One of them needs to take charge or get a new person who will take charge.

Does this get better? I just finished Knights of Everflame (loved it) and am thinking about getting into Oblivion Oath, but as a sometimes-GM I can't stand overly-passive players. Even in home games, the players are the cast, not the audience! That just goes double when your game is also a show.

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Saros Palanthios wrote:
Chetna Wavari wrote:
They're three very passive players. One of them needs to take charge or get a new person who will take charge.
Does this get better? I just finished Knights of Everflame (loved it) and am thinking about getting into Oblivion Oath, but as a sometimes-GM I can't stand overly-passive players. Even in home games, the players are the cast, not the audience! That just goes double when your game is also a show.

No, unfortunately. The first few episodes were great since we had Owen K.C. Stephens‘ character Qundle, but since he died and Stephens left the company, it has been dropping, but the replacement for Qundle, the alchemist Professor Nikademus Thorne, is pretty active in engaging the story. The cast just seems to be going as the story takes them with few decisions being made by the party.

Spoiler:
Also, the character I found most interesting after Qundle, Zel, the Iruxi, lizard folk, is no longer in the party.


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vagrant-poet wrote:
(these people are almost universally f%*~ing unbelievably terrible rich and powerful people with good press).

Oh, well they must be totally evil then.


One thing I noticed is they really need to make sure they pay attention to bombs secondary effects. They don't seem to be adding the splash damage to the main target and seem to be ignoring the secondary effects like flat footed on hit from bottled lightning.


The unfortunate nature of an aired ‘show’ about roleplayers is that it isn’t a movie where the plot, narrative, and rising action are all constructed by a singular voice. This is a game of several individuals going at the same goal; but an open ended goal. So, in that regard, I’ll watch and, unfortunately, judge, and give my own opinions.

I’m at ep 20, in Tymon, and I’m super weirded out by the 1) avoidance of the suggested adventure plot hook, and 2) no sympathy or desire to help out a refugee like them.

This dude was stealing food for his 2 young kids! He was on your same boat, he too lost everything, has less than the group, and only wanted to feed his kids! Yes, he stole, but is that a death sentence? And wasn’t the point of getting on the boat was to flee something that was utterly terrible?

I just didn’t like moment (need 20 more minutes to finish the ep), and also, the utter ignorance of the key, or it’s effects. I mean, it’s the ONLY reason everyone has stayed together, and then MIkah burying what happened away? I mean, that’s an acting motivation, but in a roleplaying situation...roleplay it to the group!!

Someone said it right; it’s like you want to yell at your tv when the people go into the haunted house and don’t check behind the doors! :D

But I'm going to keep watching. I want to know what happens! And to see if they ever make level 3! Lol

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I notice that since recently I have habit of listening to episodes while at same time doing something else, I sometimes miss some small things and get bit confused later on xP

Like I really got confused about whether they brought surviving lieutenant and family with them in episode 25 since I missed part they mentioned them until the dinner in 26 xD


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